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Doomed to a fatal delusion over climate change

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Andrew Bolt

July 09, 2008 12:00am

PSYCHIATRISTS have detected the first case of "climate change delusion" - and they haven't even yet got to Kevin Rudd and his global warming guru.

Writing in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, Joshua Wolf and Robert Salo of our Royal Children's Hospital say this delusion was a "previously unreported phenomenon".

"A 17-year-old man was referred to the inpatient psychiatric unit at Royal Children's Hospital Melbourne with an eight-month history of depressed mood . . . He also . . . had visions of apocalyptic events."

(So have Alarmist of the Year Tim Flannery, Profit of Doom Al Gore and Sir Richard Brazen, but I digress.)

"The patient had also developed the belief that, due to climate change, his own water consumption could lead within days to the deaths of millions of people through exhaustion of water supplies."

But never mind the poor boy, who became too terrified even to drink. What's scarier is that people in charge of our Government seem to suffer from this "climate change delusion", too.

Here is Prime Minister Kevin Rudd yesterday, with his own apocalyptic vision: "If we do not begin reducing the nation's levels of carbon pollution, Australia's economy will face more frequent and severe droughts, less water, reduced food production and devastation of areas such as the Great Barrier Reef and Kakadu wetlands."

And here is a senior Sydney Morning Herald journalist aghast at the horrors described in the report on global warming released on Friday by Rudd's guru, Professor Ross Garnaut: "Australians must pay more for petrol, food and energy or ultimately face a rising death toll . . ." :rolleyes::D

Wow. Pay more for food or die. Is that Rudd's next campaign slogan?

Of course, we can laugh at this -- and must -- but the price for such folly may soon be your job, or at least your cash.

Rudd and Garnaut want to scare you into backing their plan to force people who produce everything from petrol to coal-fired electricity, from steel to soft drinks, to pay for licences to emit carbon dioxide -- the gas they think is heating the world to hell.

The cost of those licences, totalling in the billions, will then be passed on to you through higher bills for petrol, power, food, housing, air travel and anything else that uses lots of gassy power. In some countries they're even planning to tax farting cows, :lol: so there's no end to the ways you can be stung.

Rudd hopes this pain will make you switch to expensive but less gassy alternatives, and -- hey presto -- the world's temperature will then fall, just like it's actually done since the day Al Gore released An Inconvenient Truth.

But you'll have spotted already the big flaw in Rudd's mad plan -- one that confirms he and Garnaut really do have delusions.

The truth is Australia on its own emits less than 1.5 per cent of the world's carbon dioxide. Any savings we make will make no real difference, given that China (now the biggest emitter) and India (the fourth) are booming so fast that they alone will pump out 42 per cent of the world's greenhouse gases by 2030.

Indeed, so fast are the world's emissions growing -- by 3.1 per cent a year thanks mostly to these two giants -- that the 20 per cent cuts Rudd demands of Australians by 2020 would be swallowed up in just 28 days. That's how little our multi-billions of dollars in sacrifices will matter.

And that's why Rudd's claim that we'll be ruined if we don't cut Australia's gases is a lie. To be blunt.

Ask Rudd's guru. Garnaut on Friday admitted any cuts we make will be useless unless they inspire other countries to do the same -- especially China and India: "Only a global agreement has any prospect of reducing risks of dangerous climate change to acceptable levels."

So almost everything depends on China and India copying us. But the chances of that? A big, round zero.

A year ago China released its own global warming strategy -- its own Garnaut report -- which bluntly refused to cut its total emissions.

Said Ma Kai, head of China's powerful State Council: "China does not commit to any quantified emissions-reduction commitments . . . our efforts to fight climate change must not come at the expense of economic growth."

In fact, we had to get used to more gas from China, not less: "It is quite inevitable that during this (industrialisation) stage, China's energy consumption and CO2 emissions will be quite high."

Last month, India likewise issued its National Action Plan on Climate Change, and also rejected Rudd-style cuts.

The plan's authors, the Prime Minister's Council on Climate Change, said India would rather save its people from poverty than global warming, and would not cut growth to cut gases.

"It is obvious that India needs to substantially increase its per capita energy consumption to provide a minimally acceptable level of wellbeing to its people."

The plan's only real promise was in fact a threat: "India is determined that its per capita greenhouse gas emissions will at no point exceed that of developed countries."

Gee, thanks. That, of course, means India won't stop its per capita emissions (now at 1.02 tonnes) from growing until they match those of countries such as the US (now 20 tonnes). Given it has one billion people, that's a promise to gas the world like it's never been gassed before.

So is this our death warrant? Should this news have you seeing apocalyptic visions, too?

Well, no. What makes the Indian report so interesting is that unlike our Ross Garnaut, who just accepted the word of those scientists wailing we faced doom, the Indian experts went to the trouble to check what the climate was actually doing and why. Their conclusion? They couldn't actually find anything bad in India that was caused by man-made warming: "No firm link between the documented (climate) changes described below and warming due to anthropogenic climate change has yet been established."

In fact, they couldn't find much change in the climate at all.

Yes, India's surface temperature over a century had inched up by 0.4 degrees, but there had been no change in trends for large-scale droughts and floods, or rain: "The observed monsoon rainfall at the all-India level does not show any significant trend . . ." It even dismissed the panic Al Gore helped to whip up about melting Himalayan glaciers: "While recession of some glaciers has occurred in some Himalayan regions in recent years, the trend is not consistent across the entire mountain chain. It is, accordingly, too early to establish long-term trends, or their causation, in respect of which there are several hypotheses."

Nor was that the only sign that India's Council on Climate Change had kept its cool while our Rudd and Garnaut lost theirs.

For example, the Indians rightly insisted nuclear power had to be part of any real plan to cut emissions. Rudd and Garnaut won't even discuss it.

The Indians also pointed out that no feasible technology to trap and bury the gasses of coal-fired power stations had yet been developed "and there are serious questions about the cost as well (as) permanence of the CO2 storage repositories".

Rudd and Garnaut, however, keep offering this dream to make us think our power stations can survive their emissions trading scheme, when state governments warn they may not.

In every case the Indians are pragmatic where Rudd and Garnaut are having delusions -- delusions about an apocalypse, about cutting gases without going nuclear, about saving power stations they'll instead drive broke.

And there's that delusion on which their whole plan is built -- that India and China will follow our sacrifice by cutting their throats, too.

So psychiatrists are treating a 17-year-old tipped over the edge by global warming fearmongers?

Pray that their next patients will be two men whose own delusions threaten to drive our whole economy over the edge as well.

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I get the basics of the article, and not gonna jump on any for or against never ending soap opera that always pops up with a "global warming thread" :rolleyes::D (not a crack about the actual thread or person who started it either)

But....simular to people who live on the West Coast or counties like England where it's mainly dull, drab,grey outside most of the year that studies suggest some people go into a state of depression because of "thier climate". So doctors for years have been using "light therapy" simular to basically sitting in a tanning bed, as a way to help people cheer up as studies have found there to be possitive effects due to the bodies natural need for a certain amount of light. A physiotherapist was telling me some stuff about that about 11-12 years ago when I had to go before and after wrist surgery, they where from BC and filling in for the regular therapist and I guess back then it was starting to become a regular type of thing there.

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Hey jwl, Light therapy has been around for nearly 60 years. Clinics in Sweden began using the practice on school aged children to improve both physical and mental health, during winter, when average daylight drops to 4-6 hrs. daily.

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The Polar Bears and the arctic populations may just have a word for India, .........Typical India response not in my country so it dosn't exsist! Just like the Ganges River is fine for the population no polution here :rolleyes::D ......don't worry the ugly brown water and stink is normal the water is fine. :lol::( Personally I wouldn't put alot of belief in India's ecological studies the country is an ecological disaster area :lol:

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I've reached the point where I just skip over reading these things in the paper........biggest hoax on the world yet . Looking at the big picture , it's the North American corps. that shut down their plants here & set up shop in China & India including dear old mother Bell (Canada) where they can pollute all they want . For example .....In our tiny little corner of the globe here in St.Kitts we had one of the most efficient foundries in the world at GM (Glendale) where they spent millions to clean up the cupolos that made steel & only steam was comming from those stacks . This foundry is now operating in China burning coal & sending it's products by huge fuel sucking ships , then trucking the stuff thousands of miles back to us......thus tearing up the highways which they want to put carbon taxes on & tolls to pay for the damage.... And look at the example of TO's garbage......truck it hundreds of miles......& packaging , another story... on & on it goes ......And now we in the Niagara "fruit belt" will be buying our trucked in , pesticide laden fruit from other countries .......Yep ...we are being sucked in big time .......open up your wallets nice & wide :rolleyes:

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I guess you can't trust anything you read anymore.

http://www.buffalonews.com/nationalworld/i...ory/388018.html

Official says Cheney's office tried to alter EPA testimony

By Richard Simon - LOS ANGELES TIMES

Updated: 07/09/08

WASHINGTON — Vice President Cheney's office worked to alter sworn congressional testimony provided by a federal official in order to play down the threat of global warming and head off regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, a former government official said Tuesday. Jason K. Burnett, a former Environmental Protection Agency official, cited the behind-the-scenes efforts by unnamed officials in Cheney's office in a letter to congressional investigators regarding testimony in January by his former boss, EPA Administrator Stephen L. Johnson.

Burnett appeared at a news conference Tuesday with Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., who said his statements could boost efforts by California and other states to implement their own vehicle emission standards over White House opposition.

Boxer plans to call Burnett to testify later this month before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, which she heads.

The Supreme Court ruled last year that EPA was required to evaluate whether greenhouse gas emissions pose a risk, and if so, implement regulations on polluters. President Bush has opposed mandatory limits on greenhouse gas emissions from power plants, oil refineries and other polluters, contending such steps would drive up energy costs and hurt the economy.

But White House efforts to edit testimony were "clearly misconduct, in terms of interfering with scientific information," said Bettina Poirier, staff director for the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. She said she was still examining whether those actions violate law.

Burnett resigned as EPA's associate deputy administrator last month. He also has contributed $4,600 to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign.

EPA Administrator Johnson, in testimony before Boxer's committee in January, planned to tell senators that "greenhouse gas emissions harm the environment."

Burnett said in a letter to Boxer that "an official in the office of the vice president called to tell me that his office wanted the language changed." He said he didn't make the change. Johnson delivered the testimony as planned.

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I get the basics of the article, and not gonna jump on any for or against never ending soap opera that always pops up with a "global warming thread" :unsure::dunno: (not a crack about the actual thread or person who started it either)

Yep the never ending soap opera of "global warming and climate change" and related topics to the "CO2 theory". :lol: There is 30 % more CO2 in the atmosphere in this century and is increasing at the fastest rate in half a million years. ( The Great Warming - Discovery Channel :) )

After the industrial revolution, the extra 30% is produced from the burning of fossil fuels, forests being cleared which means less CO2 absorption and warmer temps means less snow cover which is less sunlight reflection.

When each free carbon molecule is released it combines with 2 oxygen molecules to form CO2, CO2 helps hold the sun's heat in the atmosphere causing the "greenhouse effect". A delicate balance of CO2, nitrous oxide and methane accounts for less than 1% of Earth's atmosphere and keeps the average temperature at 15* C. Take away that 1% and the average temp will be - 18* C. :D

Venus is 96% CO2, twice as far from the sun as Mercury but much hotter. The 1990's is the warmest increase in temperature on record. An increase of half of a degree to 1 degree worldwide can mean an increase of up to 10* C in some areas like Nunavut. Increase in temps all has to do with a distribution function which means more days with heat.

An altered atmosphere with the changing of the jetstreams, ocean temps and changing weather patterns causes extreme weather events as seen this past year, tornadoes (Southern US) floods (Missisissipi River) , increased length of forest fire seasons (California). Climate change is not a natural cycle or balances itself out when excess gases are continuously released into the atmosphere.

Free speech right. :blush::lol:

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Is there any surprise Australia is paranoid??? Remember the 80's song "Beds are burning"? They've long been the first victims of a depleting ozone layer and climate change. Australians are better because of it and perhaps its fear that leads them to become the top environmentalists of the world. And they don't stop at their own border.

Did you see the list of Niagara's top ten green households? My friend Mellisa Hellwig was one of them. Living in Niagara on the Lake she moved here from Australia and now spreads the word of a simple rule we should all be living by. Sustainability. The Aussies brought us the Atlantic salmon project which is restoring Rivers and wetlands. When you consider what climate change has done to global food stocks, you might understand why even their Prime Minister is panicking. Easy for us to deny here though. No Frills still has dollar dayz.

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In Niagara, you have only to drive through our region at this time of year to see evidence of the richness and fertility of our land. So it's with a sense of unreality that we read the headlines of soaring food prices, growing food shortages and food riots around the world. The aseptic term "food insecurity" has been coined, but for the people experiencing it, it's hunger and starvation.

At a recent forum held at the United Nations, it was stressed that over 800 million people are now at risk of starvation, with 100 million more in just the last few months joining the ranks of the extremely poor, living on less than a dollar a day. Even within rich countries, increasingly large proportions of the population are having real problems bringing food to the table and paying for other basic necessities.

There appear to be several factors that have contributed to this crisis.

Climate changes, among them the epic ongoing drought in Australia, years of low rainfall in the western U.S., floods last year in North Korea, the recent cyclone in Myanmar, have drastically affected food production. As an example, Australia used to export enough rice to feed 20 million people, but six years of drought have reduced their rice yields by 98 per cent. Australia was also the world's second largest exporter of wheat, but the prolonged drought has changed that also. The Washington Post reports that this multi-year drought in Australia "is a big reason for higher prices and may become persistent because of global warming."

There is competition for land use and diversion of crops with the surge in biofuel production. The UN estimates that ethanol from corn (in the U.S. and Europe) is responsible for 10 to 15 per cent of the rise in global commodity prices. The International Food Policy Research Institute in D.C. puts the figure at 25 to 33 per cent.

Rising oil prices, caused partly by the growing demand for oil in China and India (and our North American energy habits) and partly by the diminished supply caused by the Iraq War, have made the cost of transporting food twice what it was last year. The price of fertilizer and pesticides is linked to the price of oil and has been steadily increasing over the last years.

The demand for meat is growing in the Third World as our own "meat heavy" diet is adopted worldwide. Since it takes about 700 calories of animal feed to produce a 100-calorie piece of red meat, a shift to a meat-rich diet requires large increases in grains, which in turn requires greater use of fertilizers, which raises the demand for oil.

As the soaring price of oil has increased the cost of transporting food, economies as diverse as Argentina, Brazil, India, Vietnam and Ukraine (to name a few) are feeling inflationary pressures and have begun restricting food exports to hold down domestic food prices. This has reduced the food available on the global market.

Free-trade policies have caused some previously self-sufficient nations to become food importers. Competition from cheap, heavily subsidized crops from other nations tends to drive small farmers out of business and off their land. Stockpiling of food is discouraged because it might "interfere with the free market" and so an important cushion against hunger has been eliminated. An example is Haiti, who used to be a rice exporter but is now a rice importer.

Food has become the new gold. Investors fleeing Wall Street's mortgage-related problems have invested hundreds of millions of dollars into grain futures, driving prices up even more. Rising food prices have attracted hedge fund speculators, who have helped create a bubble in food prices. "As financial markets have tumbled, food prices have soared," acknowledges Robert Zoellick, president of the World Bank.

Some 40 nations are in danger of being destabilized by food riots. UN representative Vicente Garcia-Delgado warns that the food crisis is "a rolling tsunami of social unrest, rapidly enveloping the global South and it won't take much longer before it knocks on the door of the global North." He stresses that "peace and security issues presented by the hunger crisis and climate change must be addressed as global challenges, calling for global solutions that address the concerns of all nations and people.

Here at home there is yet another aspect of the crisis to consider. Farmers make up less than two per cent of our population and the average farmer is in his or her fifties. With more and more people moving to the cities, who is going to be growing our food in the future?

"Big Agriculture" that is North America's industrial food system may assure us there is nothing to worry about, that we just need more biotechnology and bigger tractors and bigger farms to feed ourselves rather than more farmers, but I am not convinced. Their system relies, almost completely, on oil . . . for the diesel tractors and machines and the fossil-based fertilizers and the oil-derived pesticides, the processing and the big trucks that transport that food. Their economies of scale come from mass distribution, and with diesel fuel over $5 a gallon it isn't efficient to transport food thousands of miles from where it's grown. As oil supplies dwindle and costs keep rising, Big Ag's numbers are not adding up.

One step we can take toward our future food security is to encourage a next generation of sustainable family farmers in Niagara, a generation who won't be able to operate under the illusion of limitless oil. The public is already driving the move to diversified, local farming with the demand for local, flavourful, healthy foods and growing practices. We can further encourage land-use planning that supports urban and rural agriculture, and we can provide the financial, educational and technical assistance, starting with secondary school programs, to teach smart farming practice. We can celebrate when our new graduates take up farming as a living. This isn't a nostalgic return to the farming practices of the past; it is an essential move for farming into the future, past the age of oil dependent industrial agriculture. NM

Meredyth Cowling has over twenty years' experience in the environmental and natural history documentary film world. She lives in Niagara-on-the-Lake and does environmental consulting for the private and business sectors. greengateco@aol.com

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Good read Dan. Lets hope Niagara gets some people interested in farming.

Makes sense, we have some of the best farming land in Ontario.

Tommy it can't be ending in 2012, we haven't populated Mars yet :unsure:

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Don't stress over it Rockfish.

According to the Mayan calander, the world is coming to an end anyways on Dec 21 st, 2012.

Couldn't the Mayans put off for few days I want to enjoy my Christmas Dinner before apocalaypse :unsure::blush:

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I don't know about panic and delusions ...

I don't know Global Warming, whether it is or isn't...and I don't know shi* from shinola...

I do know ...

...that the price of a loaf of bread has almost doubled in the past year.

In what used to be called the Niagara Fruit Belt, prime agricultural land and natural environments are being paved over and eaten up by housing and commercial developments like never before. Local governments aren't helping them (the farmers and such) by overtaxing the land, making it more profitable to sell for development then to actually farm.

World population is still growing at alarming rates, and those in the third world are starting to look around at the wealth of first world nations and saying to themselves, "Why can't I live like that?"

We are just starting to feed our cars (food derived fuels from precious agricultural lands) and not starving children in third world countries (hell, if we ever even managed that), without even thinking twice about it. :angry2::angry:

Corporate America is eating into every aspect of life, killing the small farmer/small family business, sending our jobs off to third world nations, making products that are inefficient (Goodbye General Motors, "whats good for GM is good for America", pfft) for the times (You knew the time would soon come for some sort of oil crisis and kept building those energy wasting SUVs), patenting our lives away (companies like Monsanto=control of every aspect of farming=less genetic diversity=disaster in the making), and etc, etc.

Used to be our so-called clean water was free for the drinking now we are being brain washed into buying bottled water which is no different then what you get straight from the tap.

Buy Canadian? What Canadian? We don't own much anymore, from our steel mills down to our resources. Hell, even your Tim Horton's morning coffee and donut is owned by some Yankee Big Business now (Never did trust that ner'do'well Dave Thomas). Look around at where your stuff is made and you might very well find that 90% of it was MADE IN CHINA ( I was shocked at this when first pointed out 10 years ago by a friend who had to stay in Canada because of Tiannamen Square crisis. If he went back home at that time he would have been sent to prison just for being a protesting student outside the country, or executed for his views if they came to be known. Real civilized country there that we are now financing, you can't even cheer at their Olympics or have a "GO CANADA GO" banner. And of course our governments fall all over themselves and cow tow to them, shrugs. ).

Our banks? Don't get me started.

And our governments? Don't make me puke.

------

And on and on I, or you, could go.

I don't know about panic but I do know we can't keep going on the way we are without drastic change...not in the future, not in 2100, or 2050, or 2025 (ever notice our wonderful Govts always seem to legislate into some far distant future, well past their own mandates those actions they don't want to be responsible for right now?) and not even next year. We have to be taking some sort of actions right now, whether we like it or not.

In the words of the great Alfred E. Newman, "What me worry?" :dunno:

Et moi?: "Hell yes!" :blink:

cro

PS: Not shooting the messenger or the message: its just my opinion and whats on my mind when I read stuff like that. Makes me want to take a chill pill, forget about the world and :D

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I have to agree with you ......we are being led down the path of world wide "equality" by having "free" trade with communist regimes like China who look at the worker like a one purpose drone with no rights in this world . The corps. will move their plants to the cheapest bidders no matter what !

About this thing with GM building big suvs etc........I believe the people wanted them ? So they catered to the demand for them .......I parked my suv (Jimmy) beside a Nissan suv at CT and coudn't believe how much larger this Nissan was with a V/8 engine than my puny little Jimmy.........But it's ok for the foreign companies to sell their big suv's & trucks in America.......We deserve to lose our jobs ! Lets shut down all manufacturing including steel mills like Stelco , & paper mills etc.....move them overseas & we will elimate bigfoot .....( carbon foot print) :angry2:

Yes !!!!! Go fishin :D

Que cera cera......

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I don't know about panic and delusions ...

I don't know Global Warming, whether it is or isn't...and I don't know shi* from shinola...

I do know ...

...that the price of a loaf of bread has almost doubled in the past year.

In what used to be called the Niagara Fruit Belt, prime agricultural land and natural environments are being paved over and eaten up by housing and commercial developments like never before. Local governments aren't helping them (the farmers and such) by overtaxing the land, making it more profitable to sell for development then to actually farm.

World population is still growing at alarming rates, and those in the third world are starting to look around at the wealth of first world nations and saying to themselves, "Why can't I live like that?"

We are just starting to feed our cars (food derived fuels from precious agricultural lands) and not starving children in third world countries (hell, if we ever even managed that), without even thinking twice about it. :angry2::angry:

Corporate America is eating into every aspect of life, killing the small farmer/small family business, sending our jobs off to third world nations, making products that are inefficient (Goodbye General Motors, "whats good for GM is good for America", pfft) for the times (You knew the time would soon come for some sort of oil crisis and kept building those energy wasting SUVs), patenting our lives away (companies like Monsanto=control of every aspect of farming=less genetic diversity=disaster in the making), and etc, etc.

Used to be our so-called clean water was free for the drinking now we are being brain washed into buying bottled water which is no different then what you get straight from the tap.

Buy Canadian? What Canadian? We don't own much anymore, from our steel mills down to our resources. Hell, even your Tim Horton's morning coffee and donut is owned by some Yankee Big Business now (Never did trust that ner'do'well Dave Thomas). Look around at where your stuff is made and you might very well find that 90% of it was MADE IN CHINA ( I was shocked at this when first pointed out 10 years ago by a friend who had to stay in Canada because of Tiannamen Square crisis. If he went back home at that time he would have been sent to prison just for being a protesting student outside the country, or executed for his views if they came to be known. Real civilized country there that we are now financing, you can't even cheer at their Olympics or have a "GO CANADA GO" banner. And of course our governments fall all over themselves and cow tow to them, shrugs. ).

Our banks? Don't get me started.

And our governments? Don't make me puke.

------

And on and on I, or you, could go.

I don't know about panic but I do know we can't keep going on the way we are without drastic change...not in the future, not in 2100, or 2050, or 2025 (ever notice our wonderful Govts always seem to legislate into some far distant future, well past their own mandates those actions they don't want to be responsible for right now?) and not even next year. We have to be taking some sort of actions right now, whether we like it or not.

In the words of the great Alfred E. Newman, "What me worry?" :dunno:

Et moi?: "Hell yes!" :blink:

cro

PS: Not shooting the messenger or the message: its just my opinion and whats on my mind when I read stuff like that. Makes me want to take a chill pill, forget about the world and :D

Good post cro.

When our governments are influenced, run/controlled by the corrupt corporations,

it's next to impossible to get any sane solutions to the problems that face the

planet.

Most countries are now Corporate States-definition-perception of government as

ordered, legalistic, yet insensitive to human values, in which political and economic power

is vested in an organization of corporations.

People think we live in a democracy, that's due to how well we are all being controlled.

Unless we the people DO SOMETHING, and take back our country we will be turned into

serfs.

All people have to do is write letters, have peaceful demonstrations, and the such,

but unfortunately people are to busy or don't care, yet they will grip behind closed

doors, but not speak out, which is necessary for change to occur.

Yeah, I guess the thing to do is go fishing, but once that is taken away, it will be

to late to get the drugged, microchipped totally controlled masses to do anything.

1984....just around the corner.

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Just wait. The price of a nice frosty is about to start a rapid climb due to world grain markets! :angry2:

Also so will whiskey and vodka and all other products made from grains.

How much wheat do you figure could be grown on a field the size of a golf course? I thinkit is very sad to see the state of farming around our province. Farming used to be a proud profession look now. to be a farmer you must be a politician, accountant, lawyer, scientist, weather man,mechanic, handyman etc. And it is a thankless job.

No one wants to be a farmer these days, work in the hot sun or wet rain all summer, cold and wind all winter. The gov't S#$@s on the small non corporate farmer. high taxes, high cost of business and cut down prices etc.

But don't worry we don't need farmers...we can just hire Mexicans to come and grow stuff for us on our soil. Instead of buying things from other nations we will just pay citizens of cheaper nations to come and produce stuff for us here.

You must realize though that it is our western society our western culture that has brought much of these perils on the earth. The 3rd world guys and developing countries, eastern countries etc just want the same things we have.

We (traditionally) want bigger and faster vehicles (a new one every 2-3years), warmer bigger houses (colder in the summer), everything done automatically for us (dishwashers, automatic sprinklers, laundry machines) convenience (disposable diapers, a beer fridge close to the TV), now to get all of these things we feel entitled to we raise our income (through union negotiations etc....everyone from the rawmaterial production to manufacturers, makers of manufacturing tools, wholesalers, retailers, transporters etc etc and the list goes on) which now raises prices on western manufactured goods... and that doesn't work cause everything we want we want cheap!! In comes the large corp retailers (and corp farms and corporate you-name-its) You lower your prices by "economies of scale" using their "purchasing power" to lower your cost...except now the family who lives around the corner from you are going broke/bankrupt because they owned/worked at the local grocery store (craft store/clothing store/tackle shop (again a list of you-name-its)and had to close shop due to loss of business to corp Big Blue etc. maybe they can get jobs (at minimum wage) from their old competitor. Now with no one left to squeeze out the corp store can raise prices to make profits. Now the big stores start to run out of pressure they put on regional manufacturers etc. their is no more profit the manufacturers can give up. so the corps start to buy your goods from overseas economies putting the regional manufacturers out of business. More lost jobs. Now wth traditional markets dying due to the rape and pilage the big boxes put on our economy they start looking to make their profits in other markets, Walmart in China/India where ever they can. After all those economies now have the money we gave them to produce our cheap goods.

These new emerging markets that have lived till now with their traditions now have western greed and and want status, they want the faster biggger cars, a beer fridge, convenience etc. and they will get what they are "entitled" to. Why should they spare the environment at the cost of convenience? We didn't. We Don't.

We believe. I paid for fuel I am entitled to burn it, I paid for an Central air and I pay for the energy to run it I am entitled to have a skating rink in the living room. But it is the enegy producers who are bad polluting the environment. It is those that drive that are bad. Don't you drive? Don't you buy Pineapples from Costa Rica, Cherries from Chile? Rice from China? Oil from Saudi Arabia? It is the Oil producers who are bad. Don't you fuel your car? heat your home? Use plastic products? tems packaged in plastic? or painted items?

We live in a global comunity and the have nots want to be the haves, can you blame them? They see TV, and magazines, the internet. They know what they want and it is your life they want not to live starving in grass huts with mud floors.

Next time you want someone to blame for the environmental woes of the world look within. Next time you want to complain about high consumer prices look within. Next time you want to complain about lack of employment, look within! Look at all of the wastes You have today, look at the disposable things, look at the new vehicle, 3000 sq-ft house, the produce from around the globe, your fridge that is cooling 6 beers, your new set of golf clubs cause the old ones caused you to hook (amazing you still hook with the new ones), bottled water or water cooler.

Our problems are not the fault of someone halfway around the world trying to feed his family and provide what we would consider below basic sustenance. It is our own fault. our own problems.

Start supporting your local farmers, stores, and manufacturers. Start carpooling, walking more riding bikes more. Live closer to work. Stop wearing summer clothes in the winter and heavy clothes in the summer. turn down the heat in the winter the A/C in the summer.

and get out and go :D

Isn't it funny how environment and economy are so interrelated?

My 2 cents worth.

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Another intelligent response FishyWishy, thank you.

What you stated is true, however

people are going to buy according to what is

presented to them.

Who needs a Hummer, really. But it was produced

and the Corporations knew people would buy them.

Monster homes are build in Toronto and people believe

they need them.

50 inch TVs are being sold. Who needs them really.

The population has been geared and steered into

being mindless consumers.

Canada has many natural resources, but unfortunately

has sold most of the rights to them to other countries.

Alberta alone supplies 10% of the US gasoline consumed

over there. And the States sells their gas cheaper than

we do. That 10% could supply all the needs of gas for

all of Canada, but we sold the rights years ago. Petro

Canada is not even owned by Canada anymore. We could

have inexpensive gas and hydro and many products here, if

the government didn't sell the rights to these and others to

huge corporations.

Too many people operate according to what they are told.

Most people don't think anymore. Society is being dumbed

down, and Governments and huge corporations are calling

the shots.

Of course individually we are responsible for alot of this mess.

However, as mentioned, we have been steered into that condition.

As Tommy stated, 1984--right around the corner.

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" Join Andrew on blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt "

Funny how this story keeps going and the original story is written by a guy "Andrew Bolt" that is known for bogus stories and been sued for falsifying information. Good research, these kinds of stories belong in the intercrap blogs where they came from. :blahblah1:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Andrew...cism/id/4792979

Andrew Bolt - Controversy and criticism

Bolt is an outspoken exponent of conservative political and social views. His statements are sometimes seen as controversial, however he says his columns are well researched and based on fact, rather than popular opinion. He denies the existence of the so-called stolen generation of Australian aborigines, based on the 1995 report "Bringing Them Home: the stolen children report." He downplays the threat of global warming and strongly supported what he believed was the liberation of Iraq in from Saddam Hussein 2003. He comes under fire for questioning why many of the taxpayer funded arts grants, particularly in Victoria, are spent on "festivals for the wealthy elite," funding for left-wing writers, and journalists who write that universities need more money. He also condemns the Greens in particular of preaching "nature worship" and the Labor governments (led by Premier Steve Bracks) refusal to build more dams or re-direct rivers to deal with the on-going water shortage crisis. He commonly refers to those who pertain to left-wing and green ideologies (university students in particular) as victims of "groupthink."

Critics of Bolt include Crikey founder and ABC presenter Stephen Mayne and Sydney Morning Herald writer and former presenter of the ABC program Media Watch David Marr. They say that Bolt makes many sensationalist claims which are rarely backed up with any evidence, and that the evidence he does use is highly questionable. His critics dismiss many of the references Bolt provides as irreputable for personal reasons, to which Bolt responds asking them to respond and rebut the facts provided rather than the people who provide them.

A famous argument between Bolt and Marr occurred on the 21st of July 2003, on Media Watch. Marr claimed that Bolt's article A Kick Up The Arts (2/6/2003), unfairly treated the subject of the article-writer Alison Broinowski by claiming she had misused 3 small taxpayer-funded arts grants by writing a book saying Australia had deserved the 2002 Bali bombing. Marr claimed that Bolt had actually misquoted her, that she had said that "racist bigots in Malaysia" thought Australia deserved the Bali bombing. Marr also said she had only received two grants.

Bolt responded to Marr, what followed was a very heated exchange on the next episode of Media Watch; Marr first retracted one claim (about the number of grants; Broinowski had actually received the three grants as Bolt had said). Bolt demanded an apology live on Media Watch saying Marr had told lies about him. Marr responded by saying that Bolt very much likes dishing criticism towards people, but cannot take it himself; Bolt said the same about Marr. (See here and here for their very heated exchange).

The next week Bolt wrote an article claiming that the ABC, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and some other newspapers favour left-wing political views.

Critics also point out that Bolt (as mentioned earlier), is paid to appear on an ABC program, Insiders, despite his claims that the ABC is biased. Bolt and his supporters suggest that Insiders always has three commentators but never more than one right-of-center viewpoint, and that other ABC current affairs programs have even less conservative presence.

On occasion Bolt's columns have led to legal action against either the Herald Sun or Bolt himself. In 2002, Magistrate Jelena Popovic sued the publishers of the Herald Sun and Bolt for libel. The Victorian Supreme Court awarded $246,000 AUD based on their having published Bolt's claim that she had "hugged two drug traffickers she let walk free", when she in fact shook their hands to congratulate them on having completed a rehabilitation program. Interestingly the award was against the jury's determination which was to dismiss the claim by Magistrate Popovic. On appeal to the Court of Appeal of Victoria set aside $25,000 AUD of the original award.

Other criticisms made of Bolt are that he uses evidence selectively, smears individuals and uses hyperbole and emotive language in his columns. In response, Bolt says he is motivated by the desire to stimulate public debate in Australia, a country which he says does not see enough of it, and which is too often apathetic towards current issues of importance.

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Bolt says he is motivated by the desire to stimulate public debate in Australia, a country which he says does not see enough of it, and which is too often apathetic towards current issues of importance.

Excellent point raised and so very true, thanks

for including that.

This situation of apathy towards current issues

is world wide however, not just down under.

Much more involvement is needed by the public

at large, instead of passively allowing the

governments and powers that be, dictate our

future, what we can say, what we eat, how we

raise our children, what taxes we will pay,

ad infinitum.

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maybe it's all just global warming cause by the florocarbons in all the red spray paint the PETA radicals use when they run up to people and paint "fur kills" on unsuspecting people's fur coats <_<:blahblah1::worthy:

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Excellent point raised and so very true, thanks

for including that.

This situation of apathy towards current issues

is world wide however, not just down under.

Much more involvement is needed by the public

at large, instead of passively allowing the

governments and powers that be, dictate our

future, what we can say, what we eat, how we

raise our children, what taxes we will pay,

ad infinitum.

I think we're finally all reaching a common page.

JWL did you hear PETA tried to gain publicity at that guys funeral that was beheaded and eaten on a bus. They claimed it was what animals suffer at the slaughter house. now there's a group of citizens that may be just a little too politically motivated!

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