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Sad & shocking news !   Knowing the area well , there are spots where the ice is always thinner from the currents from the 12 Mile Creek & Richardson's Creek . I commented last week about a man walking 2 large dogs on the ice close to the open water  near the walk bridge to JC Park . Some of these spots should have Dangerous Water signs put up . I would be glad to point out the spots to the city . When covered with snow , like last night , the danger is increased , especially for animals as well ! It would be beneficial for people to know the spot where this tragedy took place ...

 Thanks Bubba14,   for this bad news report .  ....only 42  years old ,  condolences to his family and friends ......

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I have seen people with dogs, and others skating and fishing where they likely shouldn't be based on conditions.   Experienced locals know best but you still need to use the utmost caution and not take unnecessary risks.   As smerchly said the currents in many of our waters can be real dangerous.  Signage can't hurt.   I fell through once up north years ago snow shoeing and I never want to experience that again....it was current related as well.    Always sad to hear these stories and the family and friends losing a loved one.  My condolences.  

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Sad news.

I spent a couple days in the hospital when I was a kid from falling through the ice on a small pond. Luckily it wasn't very deep, but it was right in the middle. I tried to get out, but every time I tried to pull myself up, it would just break under me. I probably broke a 25 foot section doing this, but then exhaustion and cold takes over and I gave up. Luckily my brother was with me and he was able to get off and get help.

Can't believe people were on the Grand in Dunnville today.... No thanks.

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1 hour ago, I'm_A_Drifter said:

Key thing is NOT to panic. Especially before your breathing adjusts for the cold shock.

 

Easy for this guy with a crew. Try being alone in a marina. Hate these staged videos, like it's piece of cake. 

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Always a good idea to carry a set of the hand ice picks. Keep them in your pocket, least if the worse happens you have a chance to grip the ice and pull yourself up.

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Proper gear and the buddy system helps for sure and may be a life saver.  That initial shock of cold is something else though.  The videos definitely don't do it justice as it looks like a polar bear dip.  The other problem is if you do get out finding somewhere to warm up in a hurry.   I am very cautious on the big water.  I am itching to get out but still waiting.   To me a good perch fry isn't worth the risk...either with risky ice conditions or rough water.  I think the education of this forum is great and I appreciate the information from everyone about conditions etc as I newbie here.  I plan on helping contribute to this forum as I am now fishing the waters regularly n Niagara.  Thanks y'all and good luck out there.  The weather looks like it is going to favourable for ice into February and March.

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12 hours ago, BigFish85 said:

Easy for this guy with a crew. Try being alone in a marina. Hate these staged videos, like it's piece of cake. 

i get what you're saying mate but if the video posted helps/prevents even just one person from potential tragedy then it was 100% worth the O.P uploading it ;)

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This may sound awful but it does not surprise me that this is not more common with how some people behave as soon as they see ice.

A few weeks ago there was a few trails where people had crossed from Henley Island to an assortment of areas on Martindale Pond ... some of the areas crossed might have only been a few inches thick from the current in them as a few hundred feet over had open water.

And signage won't matter.  Gibson has it and people still try ... but why it is on Gibson is if the water drops you could have six inches of space between the ice and the water.

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The other day people were walking on the ice on the grand river in brantford down from the casino.  There’s heavy current and rapids there usually and the ice is all broken and Jammed together.   But hey it must be safe.  ?

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9 hours ago, I'm_A_Drifter said:

So many things could have contributed to this, but I'm most curious as to the location of where he broke through. It definitely wasn't at the stands.

Check out my last post in the ice fishing thread . There's a photo in today's Standard that looks like the bottom of the GRT .  It may be the place he broke through .  At the bottom of my posted picture there's a # 38 in a small box.....just below that is where I believe that photo was taken .....Currents there from the creek after warm temps.& rains .....

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22 hours ago, Limey said:

i get what you're saying mate but if the video posted helps/prevents even just one person from potential tragedy then it was 100% worth the O.P uploading it ;)

Ya good for awareness... but video is nothing like the reality, trust me 

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The NRP marine unit used a UAV.  Has anyone thought of using a drone to survey ice conditions before heading out?  Eye in the sky can help determine a lot.   I was checking Erie out yesterday and I thought about it.   Obviously there are flight restrictions and flight times wouldn't be very long due to battery life and cold weather.  I'm not in favour of using something like this to survey animals to hunt but for safety reasons on ice it might be a useful tool.

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The technology is there.  They have been measuring polar ice with satellite imagery for a long time.  Satellites  are now replaced with UAV and light aircraft now for more precise imagery.   I don't know what you can get from just a camera mounted to UAV (probably just see open water and very thin sections).  That is kinda what I was asking and that may be good enough to start your navigation on the ice based on some of your own normal ground truthing on the ice.  You can also see where difficult terrain would be.    I may try some things out with some of my contacts and if I do I'll post images on the forum.  What can it hurt?

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On 2/2/2018 at 7:49 PM, Nel said:

Always good to be prepared with ice picks, floater suit, etc but the ones who are prepared aren't usually the ones who fall in.  

A pair of ice picks may have saved the skaters life . They skate at much faster speeds than walking  so using an ice spud is not a consideration .  Skaters need to know the ice conditions well before venturing out to unknown territory . Most of us ice fishermen are prepared .  I was not prepared when I fell through the ice many years ago .....damn lucky I'm here to say that !   Lesson learned for me .......awareness for others .

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Yup. I agree.  Skaters have been out on Erie too and I was thinking the same thing and that hopefully they walked the area first.   If you survive a fall through the ice, it is an experience you'll never forget and will be extra cautious the next time.   If you don't then you have proven Darwin's theory correct.

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Very sad story.  The general public needs some more pr on ice safety.  Many people see us fishing out there and think that means the ice is safe everywhere.  Ive had many people ask me if the ice is safe i always so no ice is never safe! Make sure you check it out/ask and know 100% before you go out and always try to go with a buddy.  Inexperience can be costly and a skate or a fish is not worth your life!  And to those people who post those videos of how to get out of ice is total garb.  Ive fallen through before and the only reason im still here is because my float suit.  I was alone. I got lucky.  Didnt even get wet inside the suit lol.  It happens so fast you go into instant panic mode i dont care what you say you do its about controlling it fast

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1 hour ago, Fishlivesmatter said:

Very sad story.  The general public needs some more pr on ice safety.  Many people see us fishing out there and think that means the ice is safe everywhere.  Ive had many people ask me if the ice is safe i always so no ice is never safe! Make sure you check it out/ask and know 100% before you go out and always try to go with a buddy.  Inexperience can be costly and a skate or a fish is not worth your life!  And to those people who post those videos of how to get out of ice is total garb.  Ive fallen through before and the only reason im still here is because my float suit.  I was alone. I got lucky.  Didnt even get wet inside the suit lol.  It happens so fast you go into instant panic mode i dont care what you say you do its about controlling it fast

Totally agree with the float suit theory. Time is of the essence. Also pics to help you get out.  Be safe everyone

 

 

 

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