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Guest Virt from T-Bay

Rob,

Before you post misinformations about the existence of this virus, maybe you need to speak to the Belle River Musky Chapter and explain to them your conspiracy theory. :blink:

I had a lengthily conversation with one of our local CO's and DNR officers at the fishing show yesterday in Novi Michigan and they pretty much emphasized what has been obviously stated everywhere on the news and papers.

I mentioned to him your comment about this being all about money and he couldn't put the 2 together. He stated that the government is actually losing money from the ban because they had to pull all the bait harvesting licenses from the minnow trappers.

He did disagree with the governments position on not being able to use minnows in the same area as they were trapped.

He also stated that this ban is more of a knee jerk reaction by the Government for now (temporally) till they get a better handle on the disease.

BTW: Erie perch will not bite on bait harvested from the North and youur possesion of baitfish is 125.

I also picked up a crazy 10 foot dypsie diver rod with a killer line counter.

Mat

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if you ever fish in other provinces there is no live bait allowed other then worms.... frozen minnows only if u read the regulations its states live bait not frozen bait ban so its a new industry in its self....time to change guys.

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nothing says yet you can't catch your own, it's just up to us as anglers to try to do our part, be honest and not bring bait from a restricted area into another, you where really never supposed to bring baitfish from one body of water into another, maybe some of us around here tend to not think about that so much, as pretty much all the water around here is connected, so some of these same issues don't apply so directly.

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Thanks for that info peddles. You know I seem to recall him saying there's nothing to stop an angler from taking bait to Nippising but I interpreted that as if they did it illegally against the new order. I took it that way because really you could reguardless because there is so little enforcement and if you live under a rock... well you'll always have an excuse not that you'll need one.

I wouldn't have thought for a second that's what he meant :huh: .

Guys I hope no one here would transfer bait up there knowing there is a possibilty it may be infected with a potentially deadly illness that could be spread inland. This is one of those times to prove that anglers and hunters are the forefront of conservation. I'd be heartbroke to find out anglers are intentionally putting the fishery at risk to save a few bucks on minnows.

Steve I can see why your outraged besides the fact they are stopping you from making a living. The rules should have applied to all.

One more thing. I don't agree with Rob on this whole conspiracy thing but when he said you sat on your ass instead of rant.gif when you had the microphone offered to you he's right. There have been several opportunities for you to tell the Government what you thought about our under funded, incompatant Ministry. Besides our event there were others advertised here. Remember "Angler Outreach". I had posters up all over the place and the turnout wass piss poor.

You are now seeing the results of your own complacentcy. I know Rob comes off as one big living rant but he's got us on this one. :(

Steve I have an executive meeting in Fort erie on the 23rd. I'll ask if the club can contact the ministry and bark out loud on this one. If anyone is interested <_< Port Colbourne meets tomorrow night. If you suggest to them to do the same, they have more clout with the Ministry then any other Club in the Pennisula. I can't make the meeting this month. Maybe if a couple of P.C anglers would get off their ass and head down to the club tomorrow, they can help Steve get a little justice. <_< Ya right :o:P:blahblah1:

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with almost 1500 views and 90 posts on this thread, it is easy to see that there are issues on here that are striking some interest for sure, sure some may be just to read of on the latest soap opera that can unfold at times, but these guys are right, there are opportunities out there for anyone who wishes to participate, or simply see what other have to say about issues like this. Everyone is always welcome at these meetings and open to participate, infact the clubs encourage people to do so,that's one of the reasons they are there. You can't say you didn't have the chance to learn something, or perhaps even make a difference and take a stand for something you believe in. People might not think so, but if you love fishing, and you go fishing, it's effecting us all.

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"You 2 guy's kill me, it sounds like you do alot of readingand not enough time on the water. I have put in my time on the water and with clubs, and dealing with all this crap in the past. If it aint one thing it is something else. You know I am getting abit with all this edumication on something I have been doing for half of my lifetime and it don't matter what is said there is always somebody that is just to book smart, so you guy's just keep this post going because this is about as much as you will ever do about it (10 pages latter)"

Hi Rob,

Please save the personal insults for yourself. I am only trying to dispel some mistruths.

I know how frustrated you feel, I spent 3 years as an OFAH Executive. (ZoneB)

I have mentioned this to you in the past, and I will again,

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, including yourself/myself so please don't assume that because we don't show up to your meetings we do nothing towards conservation efforts.

I just spent 10 years living in Northwestern Ontario (Thunder Bay) and I know many conservationists that will be appreciative of our bait sacrifices to stop the spread of this disease into the northern inland lakes.

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You 2 guy's kill me, it sounds like you do alot of readingand not enough time on the water. I have put in my time on the water and with clubs, and dealing with all this crap in the past. If it aint one thing it is something else. You know I am getting abit with all this edumication on something I have been doing for half of my lifetime and it don't matter what is said there is always somebody that is just to book smart, so you guy's just keep this post going because this is about as much as you will ever do about it (10 pages latter) .Remember the STAND UP thing that Dan and I tried to get you all to do,well it's ok you all can just sit down now the problem will be taken care of.

Rob, if you think that I do nothing other than read books think again. I went to college true enough. I am an Aquaculture Technician and know an awful lot about fish biology and behavior. I also know a lot about limnology

: lim·nol·o·gy

Pronunciation: lim-'nä-la-jE

Function: noun

: the scientific study of bodies of freshwater (as lakes)

as defined by Websters

I am the current 22nd term chairman of the Thames River Anglers Association. I am the head of the trout commity for the Thames River Anglers Association. I volunteer countless hours per year in the name of conservation. For example, last Saturday on a rainy morning, our club built and installed 8 lunker structures at Sharon Creek Conservation Area reservoir. I personally spent 4 hours this past week, at our hatchery looking after 45,000 hatching brown trout fry and also gave a tour to a group of scouts. Between the work party, tour and fish husbandry, thats 9 HOURS OF UNPAID VOLUNTEER WORK this week alone. Time I could be spending with my 5 year old son and 4 month pregnant wife, but I choose to do my part to help Ontarios fisheries.

I guess I don't get out on the water as much as I would like to but I was out today fishing for walleye below Fanshawe dam here in London. There were a 6 walleye caught in the 4.5 hrs I was there today, however I could only manage to donate a bunch of tackle to the fish gods and one snagged sucker.(released of course)

It was really fun to get out in the freezing rain to fish this morning, much better than sitting at home reading a book. :(

Technically I have been fishing for just under 70% of my life. I'm 36 yrs now and I started at age 11 rideing my bike from Chippawa to Duffern Island all summer. When I got older it was to the Maid of the mist, then the whirlpool, then Queenston, then I got a car! (I'd rather be called a smart ass than a stupid ass anyday!)

jjcanoe

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Doc.....I only see one option to that .......Be allowed to catch your own , or buy them from a bait shop.......but don't get caught with them without proof (receipt) that you bought them north of the 401 . I can see the MNR out there on the ice and asking for your proof that your minnows are local ones and huge fines imposed if you lose your receipt or can get the seller to vouch for you . This can get so complicated ........maybe too complicated for the MNR ....thus a total ban ! This is the new "economics" of government think-tankin :(

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There are gremlins at work here. Was a piece headlined in Yahoo news regarding the Canada/U.S. great lakes cleanup agenda but when I just went back to reread it----gone. Searched their archives--couldnt find a trace of it. Basically what was said was some progress has been made in cleaning up the Great Lakes but the whole agenda needs to be reviewed again to determine/how to proceed from here.

The disturbing part of the whole article was the statement that the agency incharge of everything had become a bureaucracy onto itself and was becoming? difficult to work with.

I may not have the correct interpretation of this as I dont have the article for reference but I think you can get the drift of what I am quoting(I hope)

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Virt and JJ lets get together sometime and wet a line. Maybe I can convince you to come live down here. Gotta spare room up there :( ? Maybe Doc and Nittro will come along for a weekend.

I think Rob is just a victim of the little boy who cried wolf syndrome. Maybe he's seen the war drums beating and found it was some ARA behind the alarm bells a few times but I think he's wrong on this one. Mind you I hope he's right. Attention Rob - if your wrong your going to feel like a d1ck (I'm going to lose this delete button soon I can feel it :o )

Steve that printable thing goes both ways. As a bud whispered to me the other day, watch what you say guys. Anti's can print it out also. :P Hey Steve the Dunville Anglers and Hunters came to our rink tonight and beat the pants off our boys 5-0. I knew when I saw who their sponsor was they were a good bunch of boys :blahblah1:

Do you mean the MNR Packrat?

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I may be alittle slow but I fail to see how protecting areas uneffected with a potentially deadly virus, that the experts are not real sure of, has anything to do with $$$$$$$$$ or eventual demise of the M.N.R or for that matter the end to all fishing and hunting!!!! :):( I think what the M.N.R did is what needs to be done untill they get a handle on this virus :lol::( I due sympathise with bait industry as well and as I've said they deserve compensation ie $$$$$$$$ ! As I see it the M.N.R is there to protect and manage the resource and if that means putting in harsh measures to protect the fishery then so be it , there doing there job!!! Somtimes I think every time the M.N.R does somthing people seem to think there siding with tree huggers but think about it they really do try to protect our resources, sometimes :) I know some legislation has been the result of tree hugger lobbying eg: spring bear hunt but I think with VHS there just trying to protect the fishery :) Although I could be wrong :dunno::dunno:

Remember this is only a temporary solution untill they get a grasp on the entire problem so lets not fly off the handle to much!! What they have done is far from perfect but they needed to act quickly to avoid the spread of this virus!!!

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Just for the record the Port Colbourne Club contacted me today and we spoke about this. The meeting tonight is cancelled due to an ice storm and it's moved to the 22nd. Ya same night as the G&F so I'll be going to Port C instead of D. Hey maybe someone can ask the SCGF to look into drafting a letter of concern and send it to the MNR. Doesn't seem that hard.

Rob get your rod if you want to go fishing, don't do it here.

Besides no ones biting. Especially seeing as it's winter and your fishing too aggressively. Call me anytime I'm deaf in that ear already.

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Guest Virt from T-Bay

Hi Chili,

Same offer goes, if ever you are in the Belle River area, let me know we can hook-up for some Skie's.

BTW this thread is a few posts short.

Canadude: SSFC93

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Going back to Dec.21 , Rick posted an article in the Environment -Conservation section . There were no replies to this and it basically says , if the MNR doen't act on a problem soon enough , they get blame for allowing it to happen .Please read it ! It may be too late for some of the northern lakes ......I would think there has been plenty of live bait taken up to these lakes already from this area .

Another thing......I went to a few other fishing sites and even large ones like the OFN have very little concern regarding the ban on minnows.....strange ....The Simcoe site remarked that selling minnows to us in the south may be a good $$$ maker , but there doesn't seem to be a lot of concern shown anywhere else......Are we the only site that seems to be in a kerfuffle over this ? And I have another question ......pond minnows (chubs) ......ok to transport ? They should be safe .

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maybe not Smerch, the place I get my big chubs for pike fishing, eventually connects to Lake Erie, and the place you get yours in your buddies pond,could be whole other issues with baitfish coming from a small body of water, possibly other disease, and really people are forgetting that you really aren't supposed to use baitfish from one body of water into another one in the first place if you think about it, it's been that way forever nothing new. Although it may seem silly to think that places up north get thier bait from suppliers around here, was the average angler really "supposed to" for example be catching bait from the Niagara River, and bringing it up to Nippissing for a weekend of fishing? People have already known about the problems associated with the introduction of non-native species of baitfish on inland water ways, take the smelt for example.

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Nippising has been getting there winter shinners from Niagara for 25yrs that I know of and without any problems I might add!!! It's not crazy that they do it this way, the demand is there and local harvesters can't come even close to supplying there need for the winter fishery!!! Also Simcoe has trouble filling the demand for bait in there local winter fishery, So Nippissing is out of luck!! The only thing that is a plus is there's no ice but when it comes your going to here alot of crying from Nippissing!!! Be prepared if you want to use shinners you better have $$$$$$! I've been there when minnows were in a some what short supply and I paid big time but that is nothing compared to what is going to happen this year!!! On the plus side the fish will be happy :( On the negative side this may possibly kill the Nippissing winter fishery and alot of camps along with it !!! Not only are they getting hit with a short season, not being able to supply there customers with bait and fish it just seems criminal to put these camp operators through all this!!! It really is a complicated matter and the spin-offs from closing the bait fishery will be imense!! Most of us here in Southern Ontario don't have a clue how heavilly the north depends on that winter fishery and Yes on bait from NIAGARA!!!!

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You can go here and register and vote to save our Bait Fish Industry

http://.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=baitban ..the more votes the better it will look for all of us and maybe stop a Totaly Live Bait Ban in Ontario which thats where they are heading with this as a start ....let just hope the ban is lifted for Lake Erie and Lake Ont harvester to be able to sell bait in the infected areas only ..

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Steve you'd get alot bigger response if you put the poll here. Just look at the number of views this topics recieved. I'll sign it but also I think it means nothing without actual names and addresses. Your really better off approaching the DH&A or Rob Culp who have the connections that make the wheels turn.

Just for the record I'd like to clarify something. I put in a previous post that the MNR was incompitant. What I meant was uncapable. Those that remain are specialist and I am confident that they are doing what can be done with the tools they still have. Unfortunatley when you strip a ship of it's radar, radio,crew and fuel your left with a row boat which is alot harder to fish with. So lets give the MNR a break and try to help them when we can.

Please don't transport bait or dump unused bait in the water if not in the water from which it came!

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