Dan Andrews Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Well I accidentally hooked up with hairwig today. Both our spots sucked and we ended up at the NPC to try our luck with carp. Wind at our backs so the line wasn't blowing all over the place. Some girl was hauling this out to bring it somewhere else to release. I had to explain what an invasive species was and why it was illegal to possess one. She gave it some thought and did the right thing. She put it back. So was I right? Is this a rudd or just a cruisian carp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Andrews Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 here's a great reference page http://wdfw.wa.gov/fish/ans/identify/wac.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmate Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I've never seen something like that caught around here before so can't really help you identify it.... whatever it is though....its pretty cool lookin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacek Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Im pretty sure thats a rudd, not many over here but lots in europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigugli Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 silver rudd. look at the lower lip. It sticks out ahead of the upper lip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Andrews Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 This fish was approximately 16" long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunder Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Rudd Right lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik.T. Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Rudd was first found in lake Wilcox north of toronto. this is kinda cool but then again it is possibly bad for the ecosystems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scheffee Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Rudd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Andrews Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I talked to Joanne again this morning. She was glad I told her. She had no idea. One of the problems of having a status card is you don't have to read the regs. I believe I may have inspired her to pick up a copy. She's good people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerchly Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Rudd was first found in lake Wilcox north of toronto. this is kinda cool but then again it is possibly bad for the ecosystems. If this rudd is an invasive species should we release invasives ? We are told to destroy the gobies for that reason . But , by the looks of the invasive species list on that link , you would have to be an expert to know what crayfish ,lizard , frog/toad , etc etc. is a threat to our waters........Even a goby might be a sculpin ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammercarp Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Rudd was first found in lake Wilcox north of toronto. this is kinda cool but then again it is possibly bad for the ecosystems. Rudd it is. Eric you have been misinformed here. The rudd found in Lake Wilcox were the first rudd caught outside of the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence river. It is the first inland lake that they have gotten into or have been introduced into. This shows that anglers should not dump their bait buckets into the waters they are fishing. Small silver fish are all pretty similar in looks at a casual glance. Oh and what Chilli said as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik.T. Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Oh sorry then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishfight Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I saw those fish also at Niagara river and they travel in school of 6 or more. Some are even more reddish in color Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Andrews Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Should we release invasives? That's a can of worms I don't think we should open. Perhaps in another thread because it's going to get closed. She released this fish because we were not sure what it was. After a quick Google search and feedback here we determined it was a Rudd but had we killed it then found later that is was in fact a native species of buffalo that is on a watch list, we'd be feeling irresponsible. I think fish like the banded Sculpin get culled because they look like the invasive Goby. I can see why people want to use it as musky bait though......... or marlin, shark, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik.T. Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Sometimes I catch so many gobies but I throw them back because there are so many that you are just creating a pile of rotting fish while they multiply so fast that you just pulled out 4 and maybe 10 have just matured. But if it is a different one like a rudd I would keep it and bring it to a conservation office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisb Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 from http://www.invadingspecies.com/Invaders.cfm?A=Page&PID=6 If you catch a rudd, destroy it. Do not throw it back. If you catch a rudd in an area not shown on the distribution map, preserve the fish in alcohol or freeze it and call the Invading Species Hotline at 1-800-563-7711 or contact your local MNR office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-hamilton Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 they took two through the carp barrier last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCarp Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 So... the rudd has a protruding lower lip? Okay, got it. I just went through my gallery of crucian photos to see if I'd actually caught a rudd at some time, but apparently not. I appreciate the info as I'm not very got at species identification. All fish sort of look the same to me- beautiful. (Invasive or native, a fish like a dandelion can still be beautiful.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-hamilton Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 stan, here's a fish i caught in Lake Erie. Any idea what it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik.T. Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 big or smallmouth buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-hamilton Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 i'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunder Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 It's a goldfish. They loose thier colouring in the wild. They look like small carp but have no barbels and also have tiny, black, dot's on it's lateral line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammercarp Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I agree with Mark. Buffs have solid dark coloured eyes. It is a goldfish carp hybrid. I have caught similar looking fish in Hamilton Harbour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik.T. Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Reminds me of a koi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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