smerchly Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 It looks like there are some angry people out there who oppose the hunt....... http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2012/12/31/short-hills-park-to-close-for-two-weekend-deer-hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninepointer Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 The article is wrong; this is not a hunt, its a population cull. There is no denying that the deer population in Shorthills needs to be reduced, but its purely politics that has lead to a cull by First Nations rather than a managed annual hunt open to all licensed Ontario hunters to apply. But let them have their cull. Even if I was allowed to participate, I would decline. I've got other places to hunt where I won't be harassed by the Tilley Hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerchly Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 If the hunt takes place , I would not be surprised to see many demonstrators (with Tilly hats) who frequently use the park .I have seen the parking lot overflowing with cars out onto Pelham Road during the weekends . If it has been determined that a cull is necessary ,which I believe is true , the hunters may need an escort by police or MNR to insure the hunt takes place . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scapulataf Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I know that the majority of people will ignore my reply to that and just cry some more, but here it is for posterity: I don't see the problem with this. When there are too many deer in one area, they eat themselves out of food and can pass on diseases like Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD). Things like this happen when people feed them, and put up salt licks in their backyards. Deer from different herds congregate and spread these illnesses. Just like humans, they can have contagious diseases (such as CWD) that get spread into the population. If they want to hunt then why not? They aren't just killing these "pretty furry animals" for the sake of killing them. They're going to eat them. With all the crap that goes in to the farmed food, chicken, beef etc. to make it grow bigger, faster I'd much rather eat wild game than anything you can get at the grocery store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_feelgood Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 is it a bow hunt? I don't have an issue with culling, but why choose a certain group? It should be a lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scapulataf Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 If the hunt takes place , I would not be surprised to see many demonstrators (with Tilly hats) who frequently use the park .I have seen the parking lot overflowing with cars out onto Pelham Road during the weekends . If it has been determined that a cull is necessary ,which I believe is true , the hunters may need an escort by police or MNR to insure the hunt takes place . I have to say, I hope the demonstrators make fools of themselves while the hunters keep their cool. It would help set a good example for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotehunter Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I can't believe I'm saying this but maybe someone in government had a smart attack. We know that the park needs some deer control. So let's give the natives a "shot " at it (pun intended). Now, the government can say "Look at the good thing we did for the native people". But the native people will bear the brunt of the Tilley hat anger. So then if the government protects them....another plus in the ledger with the native population. And let's face it, law abiding hunters will always get the dirty end of the stick because they know we love it too much to give it up - because we have proven time and time again that "we" through our licences, conservation efforts and personal effort do more for the critters than any animal hugger group or the government whose sole concern appears to be which group screams the loudest or has the most leverage to hurt that particular government, e.g. Robert Schad and the spring bear hunt. Saying that, I am filled with remorse that I have suggested ulterior motives by politicians and have therefore made a New Year's resolution to be less cynical and put more trust in our elected politicians who truly listen to the people who put them in office. Of course I also believe in the Tooth Fairy and that NHL players and owners are there for the love of the game and don't care about putting more millions in their pockets at the expense of the poor schmucks who are trying to make a meager living working at the NHL rinks that are closed. Whew.... I think I'll go sit in a dark room with a bucket of ice, a glass, and the bottle of happy juice I got for Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_feelgood Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 all I can say is "hunger strike" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninepointer Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 At least it will give some people something to do. For 2 weekends in January they will be idle no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjneufeld Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I have nothing against the hunting in the park Im all for it, there deer are over populated. I do have a problem with it being open only to Natives for the purposes "food", I've got a bow and would love to put some back straps in the freezer. It should be a lottery, open to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry b Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I'm surprised they are doing it on weekends,pretty busy place on a weekend gonna disappoint a lot of people who don't know about it. I had no idea and likely would have gone there myself if I didn't read it here. Kinda like shooting fish in a barrel in there though don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerchly Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I think the Tilly Hats will be there but they won't be able to park in the lot or on the main road . The cops will tell them the park is closed & to move on . I'm with the natives on the "idle no more" ....with regards to the new "no rules" for our environment . We may see some serious trouble ahead with blockades , etc. I do not think this cull is designed to pacify them as it has probably been in the works for a long time , but ......this could be a precedent to allowing native only hunting in other areas . I like the idea of having a lottery draw as doc said , where all bow hunters would be invited. Larry ......there are a lot of deer in there , but getting close enough to kill them with a cross bow will not be that easy once they are spooked. I believe the cops or mnr will be there very early to stop people from entering the parking lot . According to the poll they have added , the largest group opposes any hunting there & next highest is hunting should be open to all hunters .........add your voice and tip the scales ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry b Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Yeah they will be spooked around the park border for sure, but if the people hunting know the park they should do ok. A lot of deer move along the hydro lines in there, plus all the valleys n oak trees .Would be neat to find out the size of the biggest buck that gets shot, seen some monsters in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanl Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Yeah they will be spooked around the park border for sure, but if the people hunting know the park they should do ok. A lot of deer move along the hydro lines in there, plus all the valleys n oak trees .Would be neat to find out the size of the biggest buck that gets shot, seen some monsters in there. iv taken a walk at the bottom of the first street louth hill and saw atleast 10 deer in the clearing under the hydro lines. a few of them looked huge, so you never know what these guys can get. id like to see what the biggest is also.also, whats the tilley hats? its a group of people i understand that but whats the back story and whats there deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scapulataf Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 iv taken a walk at the bottom of the first street louth hill and saw atleast 10 deer in the clearing under the hydro lines. a few of them looked huge, so you never know what these guys can get. id like to see what the biggest is also. also, whats the tilley hats? its a group of people i understand that but whats the back story and whats there deal? My guess is that they're just the "please don't kill the cute furry animals we would rather feed them with our salt licks and corn and watch as chronic wastig disease spreads throughout the population" people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerchly Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 The Tilly hat people are just the regulars who go there as naturalists to see the wildlife , including deer and consider the place a sort of sanctuary for the birds and animals . Most have a dislike for hunters and having a "cull" is not in their vocabulary . The hunters need to be good shots to cull deer with bows .....not like sitting in a tree stand for a close shot , but a friend told be those deer are used to people and will stay close by . It will be interesting to see the results , if they publish how many deer they harvested . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanl Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 yeah, from my past experiance. the deer are not afraid... i walked toward the group of deer i saw at the clearing, thought "hey deer are skiddish.. they will run away" they wernt scared... they looked like they were ready to come up and eat my lunch, and from seeing some videos on youtube, i know deer deliver a nice kick and gore sequence, people feeding them make it more dangerous for people who dont know better, i understand the tilley people not wanting to see the deer killed, but they dont take the time of day to understand the problems faced when the deer population gets out of hand.. any one know the possibility of the results actually being published? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pike007 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I think its a great thing! The natives have be known to use as much as the animal even after they harvest it for food, they keep the hides and even guts and feed it to there dogs . For those who oppose it, you forgetting The Natives were the first ones here and were just guests on there land. 007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammercarp Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 They had the same problem a number of years ago in Rondeau Park. The over population of deer were destroying the park which was composed of the last remnants of Carolinian Forest in Ontario.. I went there. It was silly. As soon as you stopped the car, deer would appear looking for hand outs. They were everywhere. They tried to introduce a controlled hunt but the Tilley Hats stopped them. So they got the natives to hunt the deer and this shut the Tilley Hats up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerchly Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Thanks for that Lorne .....maybe this is why they are allowing the natives to hunt at Short Hills . It will be interesting to see how the hats react during the cull . I think they should think about allowing the use of shotguns for cleaner kills . They may not want to use guns because the sound of shots may aggravate the whole situation ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafaflohi Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 They also do this in Dundas Conservation Area also each year. Its also the same argument from each group each year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerchly Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 There may not be a hunt after all . Read the last line in the article where it says if there are "enough" protesters ,the hunt will be canned . There are some people of "influence" living close to the park ........ http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2013/01/02/family-launches-petition-to-stop-deer-hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadadude Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 listen I put up 2 deer enclosures in shorthills to keep deer away from browsing on planted white pine & other species to some what succesfull degree, Now here,s the deal it took 10 volunteers 2 days to protect 2 acres and it was alot of work, the devestation done by Deer in the area was overwhelming, the freaking park is infested with deer there like rats, they eat every tree planted and make reintroduction of native spieces a joke. The other thing was 4 days, 2 enclosures 10 people from MNR& Niagara conservation authority and not 1 stinking Tilley hat yahoo helping, we couldn't beg one of those dirt bags to help, the only thing we got was a thankyou, so what. At one time when I graduated from SSFC in the 82 I looked after short hills, it was a reserve at that time but slated to become a park and I personally know how much work I and we put into that park to put it where is today, I know every inch of that park and I don't think anybody on this board dragged more grape wire out of it then me. The cull is a much needed management plan in fact it should have been done earlier and it should continue untill populations are under controll. Trust me this 1 cull is not going to have a big effect, this is going to be an on going project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadadude Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 There may not be a hunt after all . Read the last line in the article where it says if there are "enough" protesters ,the hunt will be canned . There are some people of "influence" living close to the park ........ http://www.stcathari...-stop-deer-hunt you know smech those dumb a$$ are the biggest problem, if they didn't build there $500,000 homes in the deer's natural enviroment there wouldn't be a problem. They say they care so much about nature yet they build there giant homes and take away the animals homes, the hypocrytaicle scum, the reason we have no place for the deer is because you rich dirt bags encroach on the only place they can live, if you want to do whats right all you scumbags should move into condo's and give your land back to the deer. The reason there is a problem is because of you, your the problem get outa of the deers enviroment, don't sit there with your perfect familly and weep you are the cause, you are the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerchly Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Dude.....I was just thinking the same thing about 2 hrs. ago ! The deer are constantly being squeezed out into smaller quarters every day . My closest bud lives a few miles west of these people & has been there for 30 yrs. In the past 5 yrs. many new houses have gone up where the deer roamed along Roland/Maple roads . These houses started at $600,000 & mostly city business owners bought them Now they want street lights & sidewalks .....just like they had in the city ! ( city living in the country) , and they are the first to complain when the manure flies or bird bangers start up. Do we not pay for the services of the MNR , etc . to do what is necessary to preserve our resources , or has Harper changed all that ? If the deer are destroying the parks natural vegetation someone has to make the right decision how to protect the park . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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