Cash Is Being Declined - Supposedly Legal

[Snags]

So I went to get a coffee today because I had just gotten off of an airplane where service now consists of "here is your bottle of water, don't touch the call button please".  So I went to get a coffee and my cash was declined.  I was miffed but instead of ***ching out the girl behind the counter for that and a few other things I got the coffee and walked away.  A $2 coffee is not a credit card transaction and I am not about to debit stupid *hit like that because then you quickly hit your transaction quantity limit.

 

So that led to some googling and an article on this recently popped up.

 

Global News Article

 

This I did not know, but at the end of the day ... do not like as a whole. Especially after you decline my cash and you pick up your phone wearing gloves and then help the person behind me without changing gloves after touching your phone.  I hate all these "precautionary safety measures" because no one explains WHY to the braindead who man the tills, note I am not slamming the job of cashier, but there are enough people that have proven they can't think or grasp the process to think.

 

What is the ***king purpose of the gloves if you aren't touching anything, including cash, since you are behind a plexiglass shield and everything you touch is behind the counter ... just made me scratch my head to the point I think I lost some hair.  This is no different than the people who wear gloves into the grocery store, touch everything, then go back into their car and touch their steering while and such without changing the gloves ... or even funnier ... the people who put sanitizer on gloves and reuse them repeatedly ... WTF MATE.

 

There is a ton of misinformation out there on gloves and masks but if you are touching your phone change the gloves since customers have no clue if you just sanitized it or not but there is a preconceived perception on all phones being dirty and there are enough studies to prove that.  I am all for limiting contact but use common sense as well. So many policies, rules, and temporary measures between my two provinces seem to be a knee jerk reaction without looking at the bigger picture or allowing input and questions.

 

Here is to hoping I win a lottery this week so I can say f**k it and retire and relax somewhere far anyway from Niagara and my other "home" ... or stay in Niagara and just pay the fines that will be coming my way in May when fishing shall start.

[Surf and Turf]

Ole, Jaded and Cynical one. The dirtiest thing that a cashier is likely exposed to is money and the dirtiest thing you will likely be exposed to is change coming back. Just saying. 

 

Funny you should bring up the gloves, my daughter works in a grocery store and some people get upset when the carts are wetted down with disinfectant saying they have gloves on duh, touch everything in the the store, phone, wallet, keys, then get back in their car and drive home without taking off their gloves or sanitizing along the way. Who nows maybe they take off their gloves at home and put them on the kitchen counter to use the next time they go out?

[Mbocco]

I’m Italian so  I still take cash in the store. 👍

 

I have no issue with people wearing masks but the glove thing is absolutely ridiculous and unlikely to be helpful to the wearer.  

[Mbocco]

Also the virus won’t live long on coins.  

[smerchly]

Amen to that Snags !  They can shut down the world economy but don't give out detailed instructions about sanitation  . ...makes me wonder if touching things spreads the virus ,unlike coughing , sneezing or breathing close to others . 

 When i went to the bulk barn , they  seemed to do a better job with hand contact ..... I used the liquid hand stuff , then put on thin clear plastic gloves , then was asked what I was buying .  She put gloves on , filled up my orders around the store & escorted me to the cash out where the bags were weighed & then I used my card to pay ,still wearing the gloves . After you put the bags in the car , remove the gloves & toss them at home .

  I ordered fish & chips from Beamsville  f & c .....drove there to pick them up , sign on door said one customer inside at a time , lady came out , I went in , got my order in a paper bag , and asked how he would like me to pay . He said , money is money , pay any way you want .I had a $20 in my pocket ....gave it to him & he got the $3.75 change & I said "put it in the tip jar"  ..... 

   Are we getting paranoid or what ???    🤖

[Snags]

37 minutes ago, Surf and Turf said:

Ole, Jaded and Cynical one. The dirtiest thing that a cashier is likely exposed to is money and the dirtiest thing you will likely be exposed to is change coming back. Just saying.

 

 

No question on that, but why use the gloves if you are not touching anything since the customer doesn't hand you anything, travelling as much as I do, I carry hand sanitizer and use it religiously since me taking this illness to work would impact hundreds of people immediately.

 

For me it is more the absurdity around no wanting to accept cash, but wearing gloves and making zero contact with the customer.  It isn't like a grocery store where they are touching all of the goodies you put on the conveyor belt.  Gloves are a best practice for lots of places, but it does not replace good hand washing.  The same with hand sanitizer, good in a pinch, but a proper washing of the hands is better.  Most workers where they wear gloves will tell you all the wrong reasons they wear the gloves, but as a whole businesses do a bad job explaining that side of the equation or they will hide behind "public health" which is not the case.

 

Very few places follow the proper procedure if you do wear disposable gloves.  Which is the procedure that should be followed every time you change them.  I have seen it done at some Subways, but other places you never see the handwashing between changing gloves.

 

I wear a mask when I am in areas with more than a few people, I will wear gloves in the store, but the gloves go off before I unlock the vehicle, then hand sanitizer all over my hands and keys and when that dries ... off I go.  When I get home, a proper wash with a proper soap.

 

[Surf and Turf]

22 minutes ago, Snags said:

 

 

No question on that, but why use the gloves if you are not touching anything since the customer doesn't hand you anything, travelling as much as I do, I carry hand sanitizer and use it religiously since me taking this illness to work would impact hundreds of people immediately.

 

For me it is more the absurdity around no wanting to accept cash, but wearing gloves and making zero contact with the customer.  It isn't like a grocery store where they are touching all of the goodies you put on the conveyor belt.  Gloves are a best practice for lots of places, but it does not replace good hand washing.  The same with hand sanitizer, good in a pinch, but a proper washing of the hands is better.  Most workers where they wear gloves will tell you all the wrong reasons they wear the gloves, but as a whole businesses do a bad job explaining that side of the equation or they will hide behind "public health" which is not the case.

 

Very few places follow the proper procedure if you do wear disposable gloves.  Which is the procedure that should be followed every time you change them.  I have seen it done at some Subways, but other places you never see the handwashing between changing gloves.

 

I wear a mask when I am in areas with more than a few people, I will wear gloves in the store, but the gloves go off before I unlock the vehicle, then hand sanitizer all over my hands and keys and when that dries ... off I go.  When I get home, a proper wash with a proper soap.

 

Agree, unless you are disposing of gloves between tasks, it's better to just wash your hands and or sanitize between customers or after touching something. Tims might require more for appearance of safety than actual safety?

[мормышка]

2 hours ago, Mbocco said:

Also the virus won’t live long on coins.  

 

Viruses are technically not alive (no nucleus/respiration/function) like bacteria/germs/microbes until they enter and activate in the bloodstream in the environment of their RNA code's trigger. The virus seeks out the sick cells to enter, clean, expel (becomes exosome with toxins that actually make you sick) and use the cell's "machinery" to make more viruses, but I digress.

 

As for Snags article.

 

I will continue to use cash if I have it. Using tap is ideal. If they refuse my cash, I do business elsewhere. Somebody making these business policies would have to demonstrate and convince me that cash collects and spreads this virus.

[Mbocco]

Let me rephrase...

 

The virion particle loses its structure quickly on coins (and all metallic objects because they have a charge). Once the virion membrane (be it protein or lipid) breaks down, the virion particle will not be able to enter a human cell and hence would no longer pose a risk of infection. 
🙂

 

 

[Surf and Turf]

Until I see a scientist test the theory by licking some Covid contaminated coins, I'd error on the side of safety if possible.

[Mbocco]

I’d be more worried about vomiting and diarrhea if you lick the coins.  Covid....no problem!

 

🤮

[smerchly]

It seems the food stores have their own way of customer protection . I just returned from WalMart getting a few paint /garden supplies and food .LOTS of can corn , bananas , and more corn (on the cob) for human use !

  At the cash out , the guy ahead of me gave the cashier a $50 bill , then got change (with some coins) . The employee was behind glass , wearing a small mask ,and was not wearing gloves .   If this virus is so "deadly" , I'm a gonner ....... 

[мормышка]

Wearing those masks for extended periods of times is more detrimental to your health. 

 

The best way to build immunity is to be exposed to it. This how we develop our immune system  from a baby.

 

I wonder how many still have their tonsils

 

Common sense needs to continue.

 

Practice good hand hygiene

• Wash your hands frequently.

 

Situations where you should always wash your hands include:

• after using the bathroom
• before eating
• before and after cooking or preparing food
• before touching your face, nose, or mouth

 

Don’t share personal items

• Things such as toothbrushes, razors, and eating utensils can all spread disease.

[tombo]

16 hours ago, Mbocco said:

Also the virus won’t live long on coins.  

I believe they have said the virus lives on hard surfaces like metal and hard plastic for 3-4 days

[fredfisher]

Hit up the LCBO and teller say ,”we are trying to get away from taking cash,just so you know for next time” after I handed her a bunch of bills.             Seems the “legal tender” is getting harder to unload.Fed currency , LCBO not accepting...I’m not impressed.Put all your $$$ in the bank and what if the banks go tits?   I’m blown away.

[Mbocco]

4 hours ago, tombo said:

I believe they have said the virus lives on hard surfaces like metal and hard plastic for 3-4 days

Hard plastics maybe, metal definite no.  Copper inactivates the virus within hours. 
 

I tell my customers jokingly that I’m only taking pennies.  

[smerchly]

Grocery chain in the U.K. wants people to use the"tap & pay" card only .  Cash will disappear , good news for advertisers who will know exactly what people are buying .....

   "They" say ,  cash transactions have spread other viruses as well . ?

[Surf and Turf]

Customer coughs in hand, picks nose, wipes their mouth, etc. goes through drive through, picks up a couple of toonies, bill etc. from their cupholder with their hand they just coughed into, hands over to worker, gets their coffee and drives off. Ten seconds later you drive up, worker takes your payment, hands back change (possibly from the last transaction) with dirty hand from last transaction then picks up your coffee with that same hand, touching the rim while handing it over. The risk is remote but is possible. Same worker then itches her nose infects herself then continues working handling food and drink for the next week until she becomes noticeably ill. A quick tap with card reduces that risk. You can't eliminate all risk but this one seems like low hanging fruit.

[Mbocco]

Gentlemen don’t forget we have a very powerful immune system for a reason.  Your exposure to pathogens in many different ways is endless.  And that’s a good thing!

[мормышка]

2 hours ago, smerchly said:

Grocery chain in the U.K. wants people to use the"tap & pay" card only .  Cash will disappear , good news for advertisers who will know exactly what people are buying .....

   "They" say ,  cash transactions have spread other viruses as well . ?

 

All these years and now an issue. Cashless is all part of plan and falling into place. 

[Captain Hooksets]

I haven’t carried cash in years. I have unlimited tap transactions through my bank. In the words of Happy Gilmore- just give it a little tappy, tap tap taparoo. 

[smerchly]

33 minutes ago, Captain Hooksets said:

I haven’t carried cash in years. I have unlimited tap transactions through my bank. In the words of Happy Gilmore- just give it a little tappy, tap tap taparoo. 

I usually use my Mastercard which has the tap feature . Last time I used it at the Bulk Barn it wouldn't spit out a receipt after 3  tapity taps. If that card was lost  or stolen anyone can use it , no pin required . I have been using my debit card the past month and keep my Mastercard  balance at zero ....only use for emergency now .  Canadian Tire can keep the 5 cents per liter , haven't filled up in a month .....  

[smerchly]

1 hour ago, мормышка said:

 

All these years and now an issue. Cashless is all part of plan and falling into place. 

The plan will come to pass .....the young people , like my great grand kids are already downloading stuff on the smart phones . The phones will become a necessary part of their anatomy and they don't seem to mind they will be tracked by the eye in the sky 24/7 .

[Tyler0420]

1 minute ago, smerchly said:

I usually use my Mastercard which has the tap feature . Last time I used it at the Bulk Barn it wouldn't spit out a receipt after 3  tapity taps. If that card was lost  or stolen anyone can use it , no pin required . I have been using my debit card the past month and keep my Mastercard  balance at zero ....only use for emergency now .  Canadian Tire can keep the 5 cents per liter , haven't filled up in a month .....  

you Can put a limit on you card for “tap” After every 200$ tapped you need to put the pin in.  Sure the guy that found/stole your card could use it but only 200 worth and everything is on camera now So the banks can see it wasn’t  you using it.  My truck was broken into one time and someone used my debit card. No problem with the bank refunding me.  (Ya I know I shouldn’t of left my wallet in my truck)

[smerchly]

3 minutes ago, Tyler0420 said:

(Ya I know I shouldn’t of left my wallet in my truck)

You bad !   I think my tap card is only good for $100 , and I can up that if I want to . I always paid my balance off to zero each month at the store . I don't bank on line .....   The store was closed last month and I missed the dead line for payment ,thus was charged interest which I have never paid before . I finally paid it at the bank and haven't used it since .