fredfisher Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Ive been out on the lower river a few nights this week.bottom bouncing tubes i have had many fights with heavy heavy fish that stay down and straighten out my hooks or take my 30 lb braid over rocks and severe the line. Any guesses as to what im hooking into? Crazy and exciting! Thanks FF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deetch Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Lake Trout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steellee Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Yup big Lakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeman4 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 bottom of the river. seen it time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredfisher Posted October 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Thanks guys..it has been driving me crazy and costing a small fortune trying to figure this out. I went down with 20lb test and a six foot rod wally hunting and hooked up huge! Went back with 30 lb braid...still lost em..went back with 30 lb braid,hard core hooks and a 9'6" heavy rod and still couodnt land em! I was able to get one to surface(jump) twice but it was way out there...and dark! I thought it was a monster steelie and i kid you not it was 4-5 feet long! Trying to land these fish is hard on the upper body but truly a buzz! My heart was racing like crazy! other than the one that jumped all fish have been diving hard to the bottom which made me think sturgeon. Thanks for the help! When i land one i will post the pic here! Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerchly Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Sounds like you need to use a carp rod lol ! I have hooked into 3 large ??? this month while fishing Gibson for carp . These fish also hugged bottom and headed for heavy weed beds where I would lose them. My 30# braid and 12' - #3 carp rod could not turn them . I believe they are carp , maybe big grass carp , or "something else" . Sometimes my braid gets raked over the "coals" and I have to strip some off and rig up again. I need to find a better braid or a long 20-30# fluorocarbon lead (about 20') . The 30 # braid I'm using is soft and frays too easily . Maybe that may work for you Fred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deetch Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 I've hooked and landed quit a few lakers and non of them jumped? Maybe you are hooking into sturgeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakfish Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 "4-5 feet long" sounds like a sturgeon to me. Are you fishing from shore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredfisher Posted November 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 I was fishing from shore. I guess i wont be posting pictures with lakers being out of season and a moratorium on sturgeon! I was targeting walleye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisb Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 You can still post picture of catch and release as long as you not targeting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Chrisb said: You can still post picture of catch and release as long as you not targeting them. Taking a picture is not immediate release, which it must be for lakers right now as well as sturgeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave524 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 15 hours ago, Catfish said: Taking a picture is not immediate release, which it must be for lakers right now as well as sturgeon So I guess you can't take a pic of an in season fish like a muskie that doesn't make the size limit or a out of slot Walley with that thinking, Quit spreading this crap . This BS falls in the same category is 20 Mile Creek is a sanctuary upstream of the QEW bridge after trout closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 15 minutes ago, dave524 said: So I guess you can't take a pic of an in season fish like a muskie that doesn't make the size limit or a out of slot Walley with that thinking, Quit spreading this crap . This BS falls in the same category is 20 Mile Creek is a sanctuary upstream of the QEW bridge after trout closer. Read this https://www.ontario.ca/page/fishing-limits-size-restrictions-and-catch-and-release It says "fish caught during a closed season must be immediately released in the manner that causes the least harm to the fish". Certainly not crap I don't think. Coming straight off the MNRF website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave524 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Catfish said: Read this https://www.ontario.ca/page/fishing-limits-size-restrictions-and-catch-and-release It says "fish caught during a closed season must be immediately released in the manner that causes the least harm to the fish". Certainly not crap I don't think. Coming straight off the MNRF website. Seriously, I worked for the MNR for a few years in my younger days and shared a boat fishing with and spent a few days afield or in a duck blind hunting with CO's that I would call friends, also as a Hunting Instructor for the course to get your hunting license I had close ties with CO's. They are now older and retired like me but unless the current breed of CO's are a bunch of pricks and Aholes looking to fill their quota you will not be charged for a quick picture. If you put it on a stinger or in a livewell for a trip back to the dock because you forgot the camera , your guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredfisher Posted November 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 I have heard that CO's and those in the business regularly check forums like this one often. I read the regs too and my deduction is that if you catch something OOS or such, you must return to water straight away ,do not pass go,no selfies ect. If theres a modern day CO viewing this thread please enlighten us. FF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamNicholson Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 5 hours ago, fredfisher said: I have heard that CO's and those in the business regularly check forums like this one often. I read the regs too and my deduction is that if you catch something OOS or such, you must return to water straight away ,do not pass go,no selfies ect. If theres a modern day CO viewing this thread please enlighten us. FF I agree, that would be amazing if they would post. It sure would clear some confusion on commonly debated topics such as this. It would also shed some light on the best possible way to protect the fish when out of season for some of the less advanced anglers on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerchly Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 13 hours ago, Catfish said: Read this https://www.ontario.ca/page/fishing-limits-size-restrictions-and-catch-and-release It says "fish caught during a closed season must be immediately released in the manner that causes the least harm to the fish". Certainly not crap I don't think. Coming straight off the MNRF website. Scrolling down on this link it says ..... Quote Handling the fish keep fish in the water as much as possible if you need a landing net, use one that is coated or rubberized wet your hands, or use wetted fish-handling gloves don’t touch a fish’s gills or eyes hold the fish horizontally and support its belly do not suspend fish vertically, especially large fish photograph fish in the water when possible, and be sure to have your camera ready before you hook the fish Does it make any difference if the fish is oos or in season if a photo is taken ? I see a larger problem with fish weigh ins and lipping large fish than taking a quick shot . The problem with posting pictures of oos fish is it may give others the wrong idea the fish is in season or the whereabouts the fish were caught . Yes. we have plenty of unethical bad a$$ anglers out there .....I got tangled up in a bunch of heavy mono line today at the Port circus and almost lost my balance ......don't take your dogs there , it could cost plenty to remove a roe bag/hook .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canalinvader Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Wow beating the dead horse i see. Heres the truth. If you catch an oos fish let it go. Dont be a loser. Same with a snagged fish. Even if it is or isnt in the rules you should have some morals and not take pics of a fish you caught cheating. Thats my opinion and its the right one. If you take oos pics and post em youre a loser and a cheater and a liar. Basically you have 0 credit to your fishing status. Catch em the right way and in season take all the pics you want (even tho thats a whole other can of worms with guys holding fish out too long improper handling etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerchly Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I have to agree with your high morals on this Canalinvader . I should have said it makes no difference ' to a fish" if a photo is taken out of season . I made the mistake of posting a picture of a small sturgeon I caught a few years ago . After being "educated" I would not do that again . Fishings forums such as NFN , etc. do help getting the "word" out . It's time the MNR included more on fishing ethics in the reg.books . That would include leaving our fishing environment clean of all garbage such as fishing line & butts ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallFisherman Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 If I am not mistaken, I read a forum post about this somewhere before. I believe someone even went as far as contacting the ministry to settle the debate. To summarize, by taking a picture of the fish you are exposing it to "more harm" (weather that may be cold, heat, air, hands, etc.) than you need to (you are no longer "releasing the fish" as soon as possible). On the links provided above, it mentioned "Photograph fish in the water", I read that as take a picture when the fish is swimming away or as you battle with the fish! Just my $0.02! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canalinvader Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Thanks really its up to the mnr. They hold all the power..... They can charge you with the INTENT to do something. What most people think is mnr has less power than police when really they have much more. They are allowed to search ANYTHING that has to do with fishing without your consent or a warrent. They can go into your bags phone car house (but they need to ask yo look in your pockets) if someone pissed in his cornflakes in the morn he or she can give it to you hard or they can let you go with a warning. Its stupid to debate the fine details of taking pics of oos fish. It says ya cant so dont. Simple. Wana challenge it? Get a lawyer and take on the ministry. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeman4 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 32 minutes ago, Canalinvader said: Thanks really its up to the mnr. They hold all the power..... They can charge you with the INTENT to do something. What most people think is mnr has less power than police when really they have much more. They are allowed to search ANYTHING that has to do with fishing without your consent or a warrent. They can go into your bags phone car house (but they need to ask yo look in your pockets) if someone pissed in his cornflakes in the morn he or she can give it to you hard or they can let you go with a warning. Its stupid to debate the fine details of taking pics of oos fish. It says ya cant so dont. Simple. Wana challenge it? Get a lawyer and take on the ministry. Good luck it does not say i may not take a picture. please stop telling people this. In todays technological advances there are many ways to still capture a perfectly legal picture of an out of season fish. For example; if I'm fishing the lower niagara during closed laker season, but open salmon brown and rainbow, i am fishing roe bags for my intended trout species, i then look a lake trout! Oh no, i broke a law! Fear not, as I have my Go Pro camera running, and it is taking photo/video of this entire interaction the whole time! hands free! i keep the fish in the water the whole time, briefly entrapping the OOS fish in my rubber lined landing net, then i proceed to wet my hand and tail the fish in order to upright him/her for a safe revival. Cant afford a Go Pro? Enlist the help of a fellow angler. Its not necessary to remove a fish from the water to take a picture or break the law. brief recap of MNR recommended fish handling procedures: Handling the fish keep fish in the water as much as possible if you need a landing net, use one that is coated or rubberized wet your hands, or use wetted fish-handling gloves don’t touch a fish’s gills or eyes hold the fish horizontally and support its belly do not suspend fish vertically, especially large fish photograph fish in the water when possible, and be sure to have your camera ready before you hook the fish fish in the water; check landed net rubberized; check wet my hands; check held fish horizontally in net supporting its weight; check do not suspend fish vertically; check photograph fish in the water with camera ready before hand; check releasing the fish: Releasing the fish lower fish gently into the water — don’t just drop them if a fish can’t swim away immediately, support it in the water until it swims off on its own never place fish intended for release on a stringer or in a live-holding basket lower fish gently into water; check (it never came out) fish was supported in water until revived; check was never placed on a stringer; check So in other words, you can in fact take a picture of an OOS fish, just be careful on how you do it. But thats just my $.02 on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canalinvader Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Thats great. Again youre splitting hairs here sure thats fine u got a go pro congrats sweet you film and post all the fish you catch because you need someone to tell you good job. But if you post that video or pic now youre in another category. Stop arguing it its the law all youre doing is giving people the go ahead to take oos and snagged fish pics. You take pics of your snagged fish too? Hold the lure or bead in the top fin and smile! Chhheeeeese! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canalinvader Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Who wants a pic of a dirty greaser pooping all over you anyways? Oh yea the guys that cant get the bows ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRO - P1KE 101 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I would be thinking sturgeon too because laker's don't usually jump lol, and a 4-5 foot laker is a massive fish and lake trout that big are pretty scarce in our area. But the fact that you suggested that you were catching them at night while walleye fishing suggested that you were probably using plastic minnow type baits or some sort of minnow imitation, so you were possibly hooking Chinooks which are typically active at night, jump and grow pretty large. they also do attack baitfish imitations this time of the year out of aggression. So I think that could be your culprit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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