U.S. Senate Report on Global Warming

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U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

December 20, 2007

Posted By Marc Morano - Marc_Morano@EPW.Senate.Gov - 9:47 AM ET

U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

Senate Report Debunks "Consensus"

Complete U.S. Senate Report Now Available: (LINK)

Complete Report w/out Intro: (LINK)

INTRODUCTION:

Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.

The new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee’s office of the GOP Ranking Member details the views of the scientists, the overwhelming majority of whom spoke out in 2007.

Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears “bite the dust.” (LINK) In addition, many scientists who are also progressive environmentalists believe climate fear promotion has "co-opted" the green movement. (LINK)

This blockbuster Senate report lists the scientists by name, country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation. It also features their own words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies and original source materials as gathered from public statements, various news outlets, and websites in 2007. This new “consensus busters” report is poised to redefine the debate.

Many of the scientists featured in this report consistently stated that numerous colleagues shared their views, but they will not speak out publicly for fear of retribution. Atmospheric scientist Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, author of almost 70 peer-reviewed studies, explains how many of his fellow scientists have been intimidated.

“Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media,” Paldor wrote. [Note: See also July 2007 Senate report detailing how skeptical scientists have faced threats and intimidation - LINK ]

Scientists from Around the World Dissent

This new report details how teams of international scientists are dissenting from the UN IPCC’s view of climate science. In such nations as Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, Russia, New Zealand and France, nations, scientists banded together in 2007 to oppose climate alarmism. In addition, over 100 prominent international scientists sent an open letter in December 2007 to the UN stating attempts to control climate were “futile.” (LINK)

Paleoclimatologist Dr. Tim Patterson, professor in the department of Earth Sciences at Carleton University in Ottawa, recently converted from a believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. Patterson noted that the notion of a “consensus” of scientists aligned with the UN IPCC or former Vice President Al Gore is false. “I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority.”

This new committee report, a first of its kind, comes after the UN IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri implied that there were only “about a dozen" skeptical scientists left in the world. (LINK) Former Vice President Gore has claimed that scientists skeptical of climate change are akin to “flat Earth society members” and similar in number to those who “believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona.” (LINK) & (LINK)

The distinguished scientists featured in this new report are experts in diverse fields, including: climatology; oceanography; geology; biology; glaciology; biogeography; meteorology; oceanography; economics; chemistry; mathematics; environmental sciences; engineering; physics and paleoclimatology. Some of those profiled have won Nobel Prizes for their outstanding contribution to their field of expertise and many shared a portion of the UN IPCC Nobel Peace Prize with Vice President Gore.

Additionally, these scientists hail from prestigious institutions worldwide, including: Harvard University; NASA; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR); Massachusetts Institute of Technology; the UN IPCC; the Danish National Space Center; U.S. Department of Energy; Princeton University; the Environmental Protection Agency; University of Pennsylvania; Hebrew University of Jerusalem; the International Arctic Research Centre; the Pasteur Institute in Paris; the Belgian Weather Institute; Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute; the University of Helsinki; the National Academy of Sciences of the U.S., France, and Russia; the University of Pretoria; University of Notre Dame; Stockholm University; University of Melbourne; Columbia University; the World Federation of Scientists; and the University of London.

The voices of many of these hundreds of scientists serve as a direct challenge to the often media-hyped “consensus” that the debate is “settled.”

A May 2007 Senate report detailed scientists who had recently converted from believers in man-made global warming to skepticism. [see May 15, 2007 report: Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics: Growing Number of Scientists Convert to Skeptics After Reviewing New Research – (LINK) - In addtiion, an August 2007 report detailed how proponents of man-made global warming fears enjoy a monumental funding advantage over skeptical scientists. (LINK) ]

This report counters the claims made by the promoters of man-made global warming fears that the number of skeptical scientists is dwindling.

Examples of “consensus” claims made by promoters of man-made climate fears:

Former Vice President Al Gore (November 5, 2007): “There are still people who believe that the Earth is flat.” (LINK) Gore also compared global warming skeptics to people who 'believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona' (June 20, 2006 - LINK)

CNN’s Miles O’Brien (July 23, 2007): The scientific debate is over.” “We're done." O’Brien also declared on CNN on February 9, 2006 that scientific skeptics of man-made catastrophic global warming “are bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry, usually.” (LINK)

On July 27, 2006, Associated Press reporter Seth Borenstein described a scientist as “one of the few remaining scientists skeptical of the global warming harm caused by industries that burn fossil fuels.” (LINK)

Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, Chairman of the IPCC view on the number of skeptical scientists as quoted on Feb. 20, 2003: “About 300 years ago, a Flat Earth Society was founded by those who did not believe the world was round. That society still exists; it probably has about a dozen members.” (LINK)

Agence France-Press (AFP Press) article (December 4, 2007): The article noted that a prominent skeptic “finds himself increasingly alone in his claim that climate change poses no imminent threat to the planet.”

Andrew Dessler in the eco-publication Grist Magazine (November 21, 2007): “While some people claim there are lots of skeptical climate scientists out there, if you actually try to find one, you keep turning up the same two dozen or so (e.g., Singer, Lindzen, Michaels, Christy, etc., etc.). These skeptics are endlessly recycled by the denial machine, so someone not paying close attention might think there are lots of them out there -- but that's not the case. (LINK)

The Washington Post asserted on May 23, 2006 that there were only “a handful of skeptics” of man-made climate fears. (LINK)

UN special climate envoy Dr. Gro Harlem Brundtland on May 10, 2007 declared the climate debate "over" and added “it's completely immoral, even, to question” the UN’s scientific “consensus." (LINK)

ABC News Global Warming Reporter Bill Blakemore reported on August 30, 2006: “After extensive searches, ABC News has found no such [scientific] debate” on global warming. (LINK)

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Brief highlights of the report featuring over 400 international scientists:

Israel: Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem has authored almost 70 peer-reviewed studies and won several awards. “First, temperature changes, as well as rates of temperature changes (both increase and decrease) of magnitudes similar to that reported by IPCC to have occurred since the Industrial revolution (about 0.8C in 150 years or even 0.4C in the last 35 years) have occurred in Earth's climatic history. There's nothing special about the recent rise!”

Russia: Russian scientist Dr. Oleg Sorochtin of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences has authored more than 300 studies, nine books, and a 2006 paper titled “The Evolution and the Prediction of Global Climate Changes on Earth.” “Even if the concentration of ‘greenhouse gases’ double man would not perceive the temperature impact,” Sorochtin wrote.

Spain: Anton Uriarte, a professor of Physical Geography at the University of the Basque Country in Spain and author of a book on the paleoclimate, rejected man-made climate fears in 2007. “There's no need to be worried. It's very interesting to study [climate change], but there's no need to be worried,” Uriate wrote.

Netherlands: Atmospheric scientist Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, a scientific pioneer in the development of numerical weather prediction and former director of research at The Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute, and an internationally recognized expert in atmospheric boundary layer processes, “I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting – a six-meter sea level rise, fifteen times the IPCC number – entirely without merit,” Tennekes wrote. “I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached."

Brazil: Chief Meteorologist Eugenio Hackbart of the MetSul Meteorologia Weather Center in Sao Leopoldo – Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil declared himself a skeptic. “The media is promoting an unprecedented hyping related to global warming. The media and many scientists are ignoring very important facts that point to a natural variation in the climate system as the cause of the recent global warming,” Hackbart wrote on May 30, 2007.

France: Climatologist Dr. Marcel Leroux, former professor at Université Jean Moulin and director of the Laboratory of Climatology, Risks, and Environment in Lyon, is a climate skeptic. Leroux wrote a 2005 book titled Global Warming – Myth or Reality? - The Erring Ways of Climatology. “Day after day, the same mantra - that ‘the Earth is warming up’ - is churned out in all its forms. As ‘the ice melts’ and ‘sea level rises,’ the Apocalypse looms ever nearer! Without realizing it, or perhaps without wishing to, the average citizen in bamboozled, lobotomized, lulled into mindless ac­ceptance. ... Non-believers in the greenhouse scenario are in the position of those long ago who doubted the existence of God ... fortunately for them, the Inquisition is no longer with us!”

Norway: Geologist/Geochemist Dr. Tom V. Segalstad, a professor and head of the Geological Museum at the University of Oslo and formerly an expert reviewer with the UN IPCC: “It is a search for a mythical CO2 sink to explain an immeasurable CO2 lifetime to fit a hypothetical CO2 computer model that purports to show that an impossible amount of fossil fuel burning is heating the atmosphere. It is all a fiction.”

Finland: Dr. Boris Winterhalter, retired Senior Marine Researcher of the Geological Survey of Finland and former professor of marine geology at University of Helsinki, criticized the media for what he considered its alarming climate coverage. “The effect of solar winds on cosmic radiation has just recently been established and, furthermore, there seems to be a good correlation between cloudiness and variations in the intensity of cosmic radiation. Here we have a mechanism which is a far better explanation to variations in global climate than the attempts by IPCC to blame it all on anthropogenic input of greenhouse gases. “

Germany: Paleoclimate expert Augusto Mangini of the University of Heidelberg in Germany, criticized the UN IPCC summary. “I consider the part of the IPCC report, which I can really judge as an expert, i.e. the reconstruction of the paleoclimate, wrong,” Mangini noted in an April 5, 2007 article. He added: “The earth will not die.”

Canada: IPCC 2007 Expert Reviewer Madhav Khandekar, a Ph.D meteorologist, a scientist with the Natural Resources Stewardship Project who has over 45 years experience in climatology, meteorology and oceanography, and who has published nearly 100 papers, reports, book reviews and a book on Ocean Wave Analysis and Modeling: “To my dismay, IPCC authors ignored all my comments and suggestions for major changes in the FOD (First Order Draft) and sent me the SOD (Second Order Draft) with essentially the same text as the FOD. None of the authors of the chapter bothered to directly communicate with me (or with other expert reviewers with whom I communicate on a regular basis) on many issues that were raised in my review. This is not an acceptable scientific review process.”

Czech Republic: Czech-born U.S. climatologist Dr. George Kukla, a research scientist with the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University, expressed climate skepticism in 2007. “The only thing to worry about is the damage that can be done by worrying. Why are some scientists worried? Perhaps because they feel that to stop worrying may mean to stop being paid,” Kukla told Gelf Magazine on April 24, 2007.

India: One of India's leading geologists, B.P. Radhakrishna, President of the Geological Society of India, expressed climate skepticism in 2007. “We appear to be overplaying this global warming issue as global warming is nothing new. It has happened in the past, not once but several times, giving rise to glacial-interglacial cycles.”

USA: Climatologist Robert Durrenberger, past president of the American Association of State Climatologists, and one of the climatologists who gathered at Woods Hole to review the National Climate Program Plan in July, 1979: “Al Gore brought me back to the battle and prompted me to do renewed research in the field of climatology. And because of all the misinformation that Gore and his army have been spreading about climate change I have decided that ‘real’ climatologists should try to help the public understand the nature of the problem.”

Italy: Internationally renowned scientist Dr. Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists and a retired Professor of Advanced Physics at the University of Bologna in Italy, who has published over 800 scientific papers: “Significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming."

New Zealand: IPCC reviewer and climate researcher Dr. Vincent Gray, an expert reviewer on every single draft of the IPCC reports going back to 1990 and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of "Climate Change 2001: “The [iPCC] ‘Summary for Policymakers’ might get a few readers, but the main purpose of the report is to provide a spurious scientific backup for the absurd claims of the worldwide environmentalist lobby that it has been established scientifically that increases in carbon dioxide are harmful to the climate. It just does not matter that this ain't so.”

South Africa: Dr. Kelvin Kemm, formerly a scientist at South Africa’s Atomic Energy Corporation who holds degrees in nuclear physics and mathematics: “The global-warming mania continues with more and more hype and less and less thinking. With religious zeal, people look for issues or events to blame on global warming.”

Poland: Physicist Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, Chairman of the Central Laboratory for the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Radiological Protection in Warsaw: ““We thus find ourselves in the situation that the entire theory of man-made global warming—with its repercussions in science, and its important consequences for politics and the global economy—is based on ice core studies that provided a false picture of the atmospheric CO2 levels.”

Australia: Prize-wining Geologist Dr. Ian Plimer, a professor of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Adelaide in Australia: "There is new work emerging even in the last few weeks that shows we can have a very close correlation between the temperatures of the Earth and supernova and solar radiation.”

Britain: Dr. Richard Courtney, a UN IPCC expert reviewer and a UK-based climate and atmospheric science consultant: “To date, no convincing evidence for AGW (anthropogenic global warming) has been discovered. And recent global climate behavior is not consistent with AGW model predictions.”

China: Chinese Scientists Say C02 Impact on Warming May Be ‘Excessively Exaggerated’ – Scientists Lin Zhen-Shan’s and Sun Xian’s 2007 study published in the peer-reviewed journal Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics: "Although the CO2 greenhouse effect on global climate change is unsuspicious, it could have been excessively exaggerated." Their study asserted that "it is high time to reconsider the trend of global climate change.”

Denmark: Space physicist Dr. Eigil Friis-Christensen is the director of the Danish National Space Centre, a member of the space research advisory committee of the Swedish National Space Board, a member of a NASA working group, and a member of the European Space Agency who has authored or co-authored around 100 peer-reviewed papers and chairs the Institute of Space Physics: “The sun is the source of the energy that causes the motion of the atmosphere and thereby controls weather and climate. Any change in the energy from the sun received at the Earth’s surface will therefore affect climate.”

Belgium: Climate scientist Luc Debontridder of the Belgium Weather Institute’s Royal Meteorological Institute (RMI) co-authored a study in August 2007 which dismissed a decisive role of CO2 in global warming: "CO2 is not the big bogeyman of climate change and global warming. “Not CO2, but water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It is responsible for at least 75 % of the greenhouse effect. This is a simple scientific fact, but Al Gore's movie has hyped CO2 so much that nobody seems to take note of it.”

Sweden: Geologist Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, professor emeritus of the Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology at Stockholm University, critiqued the Associated Press for hyping promoting climate fears in 2007. “Another of these hysterical views of our climate. Newspapers should think about the damage they are doing to many persons, particularly young kids, by spreading the exaggerated views of a human impact on climate.”

USA: Dr. David Wojick is a UN IPCC expert reviewer, who earned his PhD in Philosophy of Science and co-founded the Department of Engineering and Public Policy at Carnegie-Mellon University: “In point of fact, the hypothesis that solar variability and not human activity is warming the oceans goes a long way to explain the puzzling idea that the Earth's surface may be warming while the atmosphere is not. The GHG (greenhouse gas) hypothesis does not do this.” Wojick added: “The public is not well served by this constant drumbeat of false alarms fed by computer models manipulated by advocates.”

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Background: Only 52 Scientists Participated in UN IPCC Summary

The over 400 skeptical scientists featured in this new report outnumber by nearly eight times the number of scientists who participated in the 2007 UN IPCC Summary for Policymakers. The notion of “hundreds” or “thousands” of UN scientists agreeing to a scientific statement does not hold up to scrutiny. (See report debunking “consensus” LINK) Recent research by Australian climate data analyst Dr. John McLean revealed that the IPCC’s peer-review process for the Summary for Policymakers leaves much to be desired. (LINK)

Proponents of man-made global warming like to note how the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) and the American Meteorological Society (AMS) have issued statements endorsing the so-called "consensus" view that man is driving global warming. But both the NAS and AMS never allowed member scientists to directly vote on these climate statements. Essentially, only two dozen or so members on the governing boards of these institutions produced the "consensus" statements. This report gives a voice to the rank-and-file scientists who were shut out of the process. (LINK)

The most recent attempt to imply there was an overwhelming scientific “consensus” in favor of man-made global warming fears came in December 2007 during the UN climate conference in Bali. A letter signed by only 215 scientists urged the UN to mandate deep cuts in carbon dioxide emissions by 2050. But absent from the letter were the signatures of these alleged “thousands” of scientists. (See AP article: - LINK )

UN IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri urged the world at the December 2007 UN climate conference in Bali, Indonesia to "Please listen to the voice of science.”

The science has continued to grow loud and clear in 2007. In addition to the growing number of scientists expressing skepticism, an abundance of recent peer-reviewed studies have cast considerable doubt about man-made global warming fears. A November 3, 2007 peer-reviewed study found that “solar changes significantly alter climate.” (LINK) A December 2007 peer-reviewed study recalculated and halved the global average surface temperature trend between 1980 – 2002. (LINK) Another new study found the Medieval Warm Period “0.3C warmer than 20th century” (LINK)

A peer-reviewed study by a team of scientists found that "warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence." (LINK) – Another November 2007 peer-reviewed study in the journal Physical Geography found “Long-term climate change is driven by solar insolation changes.” (LINK ) These recent studies were in addition to the abundance of peer-reviewed studies earlier in 2007. - See "New Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies Chill Global Warming Fears" (LINK )

With this new report of profiling 400 skeptical scientists, the world can finally hear the voices of the “silent majority” of scientists.

LINKS TO COMPLETE U.S. SENATE REPORT: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

Complete Report: (LINK) - Released December 20, 2007 - U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee (Minority)

Complete Report w/out Intro: (LINK)

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[Queen Froda]

It's a damned shame that what passes for responsible journalism in this country and around the world was taken by Al Gore and David Suzuki and other charlatans with their Chicken Little hysteria that the world will drown in seawater or be hit by falling icebergs because of "global warming."

More and more scientists speak out daily against the fallacy that is global warming. It's nice to see an alternate view although it's sad that we can only find it on the internet - that's where I saw this and passed it on to friends who do the same.

[Guest canadadude]

It's a damned shame that what passes for responsible journalism in this country and around the world was taken by Al Gore and David Suzuki and other charlatans with their Chicken Little hysteria that the world will drown in seawater or be hit by falling icebergs because of "global warming."

More and more scientists speak out daily against the fallacy that is global warming. It's nice to see an alternate view although it's sad that we can only find it on the internet - that's where I saw this and passed it on to friends who do the same.

Forget David Suzuki and Nobel prize winner Al Gore ..........Lets all put our faith in George Bushes Scientistists, you know weapons of mass destruction in Iraq Bush,......500 billion dollar war Bush, ya he's the man to trust on enviromental issues his track record proves it .......why the heck we should we look at enviromentalists when the US government has such a proven track record on humanity type issues!!!! What is the rest of the world thinking we should just believe what the Bush scientists tell us, there's no global warming the polar bears are to fat to stand on the ice ..ya thats it ....give me a break!!!!

[Guest canadadude]

In other words anything coming from the US senate ain't worth paper it's written on .........does the Iraq war raise a doubt in your mind or you still beleive there are weapons of mass destruction .......The US government will try to make the public believe the sun dosn't rise everyday if it is in there benefit, so anything they say on global warming is not to be taken seriously

[Queen Froda]

In other words anything coming from the US senate ain't worth paper it's written on .........does the Iraq war raise a doubt in your mind or you still beleive there are weapons of mass destruction .......The US government will try to make the public believe the sun dosn't rise everyday if it is in there benefit, so anything they say on global warming is not to be taken seriously

Forget David Suzuki and Nobel prize winner Al Gore unsure.gif ..........Lets all put our faith in George Bushes Scientistists, you know weapons of mass destruction in Iraq Bush,......500 billion dollar war Bush, ya he's the man to trust on enviromental issues his track record proves it laugh.gif laugh.gif .......why the heck we should we look at enviromentalists when the US government has such a proven track record on humanity type issues!!!! What is the rest of the world thinking we should just believe what the Bush scientists tell us, there's no global warming the polar bears are to fat to stand on the ice ohmy.gif ..ya thats it huh.gif ....give me a break!!!! sad.gif

Did I mention George Bush anywhere in my post? Gee, I don't think so. Oh, yeah, I forgot George Bush caused global warming along with every thing in the world that we think is bad. My bad. ( note the sarcasm here. It was intended.)

Thanks all the same,'Dude, but I'll put my faith and base my opinions on scientists who actually know what they are talking about rather than "Nobel Prize" winner Al Gore and his fearmongering. But, I do have to thank Mr. Gore for allowing me to post this because after all, he did invent the internet!

[Guest canadadude]

Sorry Queenie I really didn't mean anything I just have trouble looking at any report from the US Senate and it having it mean any truth, I mean they do have a bad track record .....But I do respect your opinions on the subject, and I do think you make alot of very good points!!!! My thoughts on Global warming are more or less in the middle right now, I know its happening , I think we may not be helping out with all the crap we put in the air but I also relise it may not be a human cause and it may just be the way the world and nature works!! I mean the world is getting warmer thats somthing all scientists agree on but this may just be the natural evolution of our world, hard to say ...... It really makes for great conversation don't you think

[Guest canadadude]

Don't put alot of faith on scientists paid by the US Senate ........you may be dissapointed : .....Remember weapons of mass destruction

[smerchly]

I think many of us have our thoughts in the middle of the road . We can only go by what we read , & when you have all these educated scientists with opposing views ...........

Lets compare man made pollution to natural ones.......e.g....volcanoes that spew tons of smoke to the huge oils fires from Kuwait that burned for weeks ! Forest fires that also turn the skies dark for many days of the year world wide to factory chimney stacks that have rendered some lakes sterile . We have car exhausts , jet emmisions , and sewage . Compare this to natural erosion , earthquakes ,and tidal waves etc. which can change the landscape & cause climatic changes . We don't hear much about El Nino these days .......said to be a factor on warming our winters.......

I can believe the polar region is melting , but not all the making of man ..........maybe some wimmins ( hot air) (don't bite Queenie & Fanggo)

PickeralHunter .....this would be a hell of a topic for you to write an essay about , but I think it would takes years of research & the essay would end up being 1000 pages long !!!

[Guest canadadude]

It's a damned shame that what passes for responsible journalism in this country and around the world was taken by Al Gore and David Suzuki and other charlatans with their Chicken Little hysteria that the world will drown in seawater or be hit by falling icebergs because of "global warming."

More and more scientists speak out daily against the fallacy that is global warming. It's nice to see an alternate view although it's sad that we can only find it on the internet - that's where I saw this and passed it on to friends who do the same.

Scientists paid by the US government who by know means are charlatans, I mean there record speaks for themselves, the god honest truth from the US government!!! How Dare a Nobel peaceprize winner speak out against the all mighty US senate !!! I mean look at the accuracy they had on weapons of mass destruction ......oppppps maybe not, oh well 50 billion dollar a year war thats ok!!! The destruction of a society ....no big deal, thank god they'll lead the public on about global warming ......for a minute there I was worried but the US Senate will put it all in perspective ......hey just wait that charlatan was a former vice president,,,,,,, thankyou bush and your government scientistists to warn the public about Al Gore( especially in an election year).....your right there's no global warming and hey we'll find those weapons of mass destruction before the next election......even if we have to put them there ourselves

[Guest canadadude]

What does it take do we beleive a couple of hundred countries of the planet or do we take the USA as gospel ......have'nt you peoples of the world learned

[Dan Andrews]

I haven't commented on either of these threads yet because I'm embarrassed we're even having this conversation. If you want to know what's happening just go outside. Look at what our beautiful landscapes are becoming. Drive throughs, strip malls and big box stores where grass lands and woodlots once laid. Been to Barrie or beyond lately? It's a much different view then it was when we were kids. That Wonderland place used to be in the middle of nowhere!

Americans are now complaining about our littering habits, politicians are trying to push farther into the North to Dam pristine Rivers for hydro, Alberta is wiping out it's entire natural heritage for oil without a thought for the people who live there or the future of generations to come! We are outdoors people arguing if "Global Warming" really exists

You can call it global warming or climate change or El Nino or whatever you want. "Talking" about it hasn't helped a bit so far. In fact despite the sheeple choir who's chorus that grows louder every day, the industrialized leaders of the world just keep talking so they can maintain the status quo.

Now let's get completely honest here because I really don't think we're that stupid to get caught up in all those conspiracy theories. We may well be screwed already. Who cares exactly what the cause is? We all know what the cure is and we're not included. The honest answer isn't being discussed because it's not a good one for us or our kids. We've done so much damage to this earth that even if we are wiped off the map by a pandemic, the water will remain poisoned as will the air and soil for millenniums and we did most of the damage in the last 200 years.

I don't care if all the major coastal cities were mislead into thinking they were doomed by raising sea levels. I don't care that some people are scared that in 50 years they'll be starving on a desert bed where forest once stood because really no matter where you place the blame it all comes back to humans in the end. We did the logging, dumping and pumped our unwanted crap in the air naively believing that there is so much space in our atmosphere we'd never have to worry about it because it will just keep diluting into oblivion.

Some say Earth needs a new plan. I believe we need a new Earth. That aint never going to happen is it? You guys/gals need to stop arguing and go outside for a reality check. Not only am I not proud of what we are handing our children but I'm afraid of what they will continue to do to it. The least we can all do is learn from past mistakes. We know where we went wrong, what continues to go wrong and a few things that need to change. At the rate this world is self destructing we don't really have much time to change and educate. Stop arguing how we got here and start working together to stop this train wreck. Perhaps we're wrong about it having momentum but It won't help arguing that theory either.

Merry Christmas everyone

Eat plenty of fish and game over the holidays and don't worry about that toxin level in the belly area. It's all just part of the big conspiracy right?

chili out

[PickerelHunter]

Watch and listen to this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPwR6_po-Bw

Remember that scientists are funded by outside sources as well and will obviously "find" things to support the interest group.

Don't believe everything you hear, and that goes for both sides of the argument.

[smerchly]

" I'd walk a mile for a Camel"

"Call for Philip Morrayyyyyiss"

Yes , those old adds are hilarious to see now ! And you are sooo right about what we read in papers , what we see on the tube and what scientists say can be "influenced " by the boss who pays them . That's the hard part for us to decipher........who is telling us the truth . I would take someone like John Denver or Jacques Cousteau more serious than some scientists ....As Chili said , take a look around us locally and if you have been around for 50 plus years , you can see the changes.......due to population expanding . The satelites can zero in on the major polluters by photographing the out flows of the rivers in industrial areas etc. We are cleaning up our country by shutting down industry & transferring it to the "other side" of the globe where they can get away with even more ! I'd like to see a list of what we can do as individuals that would make any difference .........In the 1950's ,the noisiest thing in the neighbourhood was the sound of kids playing outside........they're all mostly inside now getting big thumbs ...... We like our new toys too much ,so I don't expect to see any change in my lifetime .