Dan Andrews Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Nice pb carp shadow. Never caught a musky but had plenty of fun with carp. Wouldn't eat either of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normal_deviation Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Should have blurred the rocks too! ...... Thats definately port maitland close to the boat launch.... he he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Your going to compare Carp to Musky, that's pretty gay. Reality is Carp can with stand a bit of heavy fishing in some areas once in a while, their population surpasses that of many other fish species. As for private property I can understand that, having respect for the land owner is a good thing. That's a typical response lol. What makes a muskie better? Nothing. I used to be a bass/pike angler, and one day i was fishing with corn for catfish, and i hooked into a carp, and after catching that one carp, i needed to catch more, and that's all i target now. No matter the size, they will give you a good scrappy fight and put you, and your tackle to the test. Also, i fish for the sport, i have no desire to eat what i catch. If the fish pulls, that's all that matters. Quite frankly, i even like the way carp look. But yea, carp is not a "trash fish", its a sport fish to me, and like T.barry said, one mans trash is another's treasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Andrews Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Personally I think they are strictly a sport fish for most. Can't say I ever caught one that I didn't enjoy the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightfisher Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Well done on your PB carp. Carp can definitely give you a good fight and fishing for them can be fun. However carp and musky are two totally different fish as far as targeting goes. As most anglers know, you bait the area you are fishing for carp and wait, if they are there you will get them and sometimes in great numbers. Musky and even pike to a degree are extremely challenging. You can't just sit around and think they are going to come to your lure or bait. You work for them. You are constantly changing up lures and your presentations. Constantly moving looking structures they maybe residing in. The magnificent musky will most times clear the water a few times and tail dance. It can be totally exhilarating bringing in a musky. Anyone can be taught how to catch carp and in short order you will be into them. Musky require a dedication, a determination and if one is successful they are rewarded. The two really cannot be compared. How many carp do you see hanging over a fireplace or in a rec-room. Everyone will catch a carp if they target them. The same cannot be said about the musky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 I still disagree with you, if i catch a 40lb carp, its going over my fireplace. It just different styles of fishing, so what? I base the merits of a fish on its fight, if it fights hard and never gives up, then I'm going to fish for it. Carp grow to very large sizes, and fight like freight trains. There's a reason carp are the number one sport fish in europe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvevolution Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I agree with knightfisher, totally. I'm not knocking any fish at all, but I am going to agree with what he said. I enjoy catching all species, but the bigger the better. it doesn't take much work to catch a carp. you can pretty much use any method to catch them.......just chum the water a bit and cast away, sooner or later, you are gonna catch one. with a fish like the pike or the muskie, you have to finess them quite a bit. they are very picky fish to say the least. I can attest to that by the fact that I've never landed one personally. I've caught a few over the years and gotten soooooo close to landing them, only to have them spit my bait/lure out in front of me........as if in mockery. very frustrating. LOL. I haven't fished in years and just getting back into it now. so I'm happy to catch anything at all. LOL. if I catch a carp, you can bet your butt I'm gonna post the pic on here.........or a pike/muskie. happy fishing guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammercarp Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 The reason why you can catch more carp is because there are a lot less pike and musky. They are top end preditors and carp are omnivores. Carp can be just as finicky as any other fish and sometimes tougher to catch. Preditors will attack a lure on an instinctive or even reflex action. I have seen underwater videos of carp eating every piece of bait on the bottom except the one with the hook in it. What is so "finess" about cranking in a spinner bait at top speed or suspending jerk baits. You probably have not caught pike and musky because you have used the wrong technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 The reason why you can catch more carp is because there are a lot less pike and musky. They are top end preditors and carp are omnivores. Carp can be just as finicky as any other fish and sometimes tougher to catch. Preditors will attack a lure on an instinctive or even reflex action. I have seen underwater videos of carp eating every piece of bait on the bottom except the one with the hook in it. What is so "finess" about cranking in a spinner bait at top speed or suspending jerk baits. You probably have not caught pike and musky because you have used the wrong technique. I agree with this 100%. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightfisher Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Yes there are definitely more carp around for sure. That video of all the carp was actually disgusting actually. Up at the K-lakes at the various dams along the Trent system you see thousands of carp swimming around. No one targets them except the odd person mostly kids. Most other anglers are after the edible sports fish. Walleye, perch, crappie, bass and such. If carp was not such a coarse fish and was targeted for food as the other sports fish, perhaps the numbers would be down. Some preditor fish will attack a lure on instinct. Mostly small pike (hammer handles). As they get larger they are harder to catch. Larger bass and pike and musky will not fall for a passing lure, though a few do. I strickly target bass and pike, and my past posts show many of these fish caught. However the larger fish are not usually fooled. That's why you get many follows and few takers on the larger fish. That's why you have quite the challenge catching the larger ones. You constantly have to be changing up. As I said before moving around, hunting them down. There is absolutely nothing wrong with still fishing. I did so today, and got into many pan fish at Gibson. It's a nice change, and after a long day at work, sometimes it's more enjoyable to sit and plunk some bait into the water and see what surprise you come up with. Carp are an easy fish to catch as mentioned before. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule. Most guys know you chum an area, and wait. They will come and you will get into them. The challenge I suppose is trying to get into the big pigs. The new young guys who joined the forum this year have shown just how easy and plentiful the carp are with there many posts. I have fished most these areas these kids are fishing and the carp are plentyful. Carp, sucker, catfish, sheepheads and such are a wait and see type of fishing, and as I said, I enjoy that type of fishing from time to time. Hunting for the other sports fish requires alot more skill. Both types of fishing are enjoyable, but really cannot be compared. One is chum or worm, sit back and wait. The other is in the hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvevolution Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 if you read my post, I didn't say that I've never caught a pike or muskie.........I said that I have never landed one. I've caught several, which says that I am doing something right. but as you all know, pike and muskie are renowned for spitting out bait if not set correctly. if it were a science, we would all be crankin em out of the water with ease and that just aint so. I do agree with you that numbers are likely much lower and therefore harder to catch, going by the numbers. but you have to agree that the ways to catch a carp are much easier than that required to catch a predatory fish such as the pike. that to me IS "finess" personified. and I also said that I enjoy catching ALL types of fish, including carp. anything that puts up a fight is OK in my books. all I merely said was, the techniques are different and that it takes much more finess to catch a pike or muskie. any monkey can chum the water, wait, throw a line in and catch carp. it's not rocket science. presentation, working the lure and being able to react to what is happening does take finess and many years to master. hell, if I had it all figured out, I would share that with you, but I don't claim to know anywhere near enough. the day I stop learning is the day I will give this up and dig myself a 6 foot deep hole to lie in. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunder Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 if you read my post, I didn't say that I've never caught a pike or muskie.........I said that I have never landed one. I've caught several, which says that I am doing something right. but as you all know, pike and muskie are renowned for spitting out bait if not set correctly. if it were a science, we would all be crankin em out of the water with ease and that just aint so. I do agree with you that numbers are likely much lower and therefore harder to catch, going by the numbers. but you have to agree that the ways to catch a carp are much easier than that required to catch a predatory fish such as the pike. that to me IS "finess" personified. and I also said that I enjoy catching ALL types of fish, including carp. anything that puts up a fight is OK in my books. all I merely said was, the techniques are different and that it takes much more finess to catch a pike or muskie. any monkey can chum the water, wait, throw a line in and catch carp. it's not rocket science. presentation, working the lure and being able to react to what is happening does take finess and many years to master. hell, if I had it all figured out, I would share that with you, but I don't claim to know anywhere near enough. the day I stop learning is the day I will give this up and dig myself a 6 foot deep hole to lie in. LOL. So, what your saying is anyone can throw a dart at a dartboard and get a bulls eye every time? Most Ontario carp anglers started fishing for bass, perch or whatever. Some were brainwashed by the negative stereotype that carp are "trash fish" and If 'I fish for them, it is lowering my standards'. Yeah, any monkey can tie on a hook and line but doing it effectively and producing a carp is another thing. If a person was sincerly interested and enthusiastic about carp angling then they would think outside the box, research more and discover it can be challenging and exciting as other sport fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvevolution Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 So, what your saying is anyone can throw a dart at a dartboard and get a bulls eye every time? Most Ontario carp anglers started fishing for bass, perch or whatever. Some were brainwashed by the negative stereotype that carp are "trash fish" and If 'I fish for them, it is lowering my standards'. Yeah, any monkey can tie on a hook and line but doing it effectively and producing a carp is another thing. If a person was sincerly interested and enthusiastic about carp angling then they would think outside the box, research more and discover it can be challenging and exciting as other sport fish. I realize that that's what it looked like I said, but that's far from the truth. it takes work, for sure...........that's why they call it fishing. all I was saying is that it takes very little work to throw something in the water, than to target a specific fish such as the pike. Carp will eat pretty much anything you throw at them, whereas pike are very picky. I'm with you though, I like catching carp. they put up a good fight and they are a lot of bang for your buck. and you can't beat that around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I realize that that's what it looked like I said, but that's far from the truth. it takes work, for sure...........that's why they call it fishing. all I was saying is that it takes very little work to throw something in the water, than to target a specific fish such as the pike. Carp will eat pretty much anything you throw at them, whereas pike are very picky. I'm with you though, I like catching carp. they put up a good fight and they are a lot of bang for your buck. and you can't beat that around here. I still disagree, it more than just "throwing something in the water" i cant tell you how many times, i've chummed, and waited and waited, only to blank. There's much much more than just chum. You have to tie good rigs, know to make said rigs work, it can be complex fishing. I've just started, and i have found they very tricky at times, chumming will draw them in, but hooking them is a completely different ball game, they can be VERY hard to catch. Just like any other species of fish, you can be a specialist, or you can catch them using easier methods, i.e sweet corn straight on the hook. Which is basically the same way you could fish for bass, pike, walleye etc, worm on a hook (or minnow) with a bobber, and you will catch. Or you could use lures, bait sprays for jigs, lots of different methods, and carp is the EXACT same way, can be easy at times, but also challenging and trying at others, and that's what makes it fun. Like i said, i was a bass angler, and now im a carp angler, why? because there is no better thrill then a 10lb+ carp tugging on the end of your line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammercarp Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Pike are picky . I have been to lakes that you could throw anything and I mean anything and have pike attack it. Like you said you have been away from fishing. As far as using someones success a an argument for "carp are easy" I don't buy it. And it seems like a cheap shot at young guys who get out there and fish a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LockedInTheTrunkOfACar Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Carp are significantly easier to catch than most species of "sport" fish, maybe it is due to them being willing to eat almost anything, maybe it is due to their large numbers in comparison to the "sport" fish. I will never say no to a carp since the fight is almost always a good one. At the same time bass are also easy to catch, the trick is to get out of that 1 to 2 pound bracket and a bass in the 4+ range. Different water bodies produce different patterns for the fish which is why some lakes pike are easier to catch, the same would carry over to the carp. Locally around Niagara I would definitely back the statement that carp are easier to catch, mind you that 30+ pound carp is an illusive creature for most and that is a whole different arguement, if your fishing for the monster carp ... then they are hard to catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightfisher Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Pike are picky . I have been to lakes that you could throw anything and I mean anything and have pike attack it. Like you said you have been away from fishing. As far as using someones success a an argument for "carp are easy" I don't buy it. And it seems like a cheap shot at young guys who get out there and fish a lot. Twist it around anyway you want Carp are a plenty in Niagara waters. They are an invasive and very destructive fish. Google that and see how many states are taken actions against these fish. Wasn;t there a carp barrier put up at "cootes paridise", must be a reason. I have the utmost respect for these young guys and their contributions to this board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Twist it around anyway you want Carp are a plenty in Niagara waters. They are an invasive and very destructive fish. Google that and see how many states are taken actions against these fish. Wasn;t there a carp barrier put up at "cootes paridise", must be a reason. I have the utmost respect for these young guys and their contributions to this board Do you know the history of how carp got into our waters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkangel06 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Carp will eat pretty much anything you throw at them, whereas pike are very picky. This is not true there are many differnt kinds of carp bate I have tried a few different types or carp bate ay my spots and found that canned sweet corn works nothing else has so far I worked pretty hard and fished this one spot for a year now so i could come up with reports like i have on here When i venture out to a new spot it might take all day to find the carp and what they want.... Look how long it took BM12 to find the carp at gibson... Any idiot can go into wall mart and buy hundreds of different types of luers chuck them in the water and jig em back and forth.... By the way thanks for the cheep shots Atleast now i know where you all stand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dugger Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 i wanna go carp fishing soon i dont know when i need one that pushes 20 maybe port d For a few years I had these 2 English carp fishermen fishin at the house for carp with all their amazing carp gear, they were in awe of what they called herds of wild carp in the Welland River. The reels were incredible, the rod holders, the chum thingy doodle, all the kit... last week’s beasty on the ultralight pulled the canoe for 60 metres, if only I could harness that power for the good of mankind *insert mad scientist rolling hands n diabolical manner emote here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammercarp Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 You might have something there Dugger. If you put a little gererator in you reel in place of the drag.... Hey this should be in the carp appreciation thread. Call it "green carp" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkangel06 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 the ECO carp can power a city like toronto for a week with just 5 yards of running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dugger Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 the ECO carp can power a city like toronto for a week with just 5 yards of running carpe diem! seize the carp! each pound of carp is worth 10 carbon credits! tell your friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dugger Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 carpe diem! seize the carp! each pound of carp is worth 10 carbon credits! tell your friends! ... sorry, make that carpon credits (couldn’t resist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkangel06 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 carpe diem! seize the carp! each pound of carp is worth 10 carbon credits! tell your friends! Carbon credits??? Can you use those to get into the Miguenty/miller amusment park? Each carpon credit gets you a free tub of maze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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